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| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 04/03/2014 at 21:11 #56539 | |
Pinza
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Struggling with 0L81-2 run round to form train engine for this service. Wrote an essay about this - but my dad rang before I'd posted - when I came back it was all lost - Grrhh! So will keep my post/query simpler at this attempt: How do I route 0L81-2 from Gartsherrie Spur to signal M253 (where it reverses again)? Only route I could see was via Coatbridge FLT - it accepted the route from the north, but went into a black hole and never re-appeared at the south end. Is there another route for the run round? If not, do I need to manually create an 0L81-3 myself from M248 and then edit 4L81 to expect joining 0L81-3 rather than my 'lost' 0L81-2? Hope that makes sense - after losing more detailed explanation! Or am I missing something obvious? Many thanks for any help! Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 04/03/2014 at 21:13 by Pinza Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 04/03/2014 at 21:30 #56540 | |
NCC1701
129 posts |
Only way I can see (and I haven't got a registered version of this sim yet!) is to get a slot from Gartcosh Junction on the single line and effectively block back behind MG930 to reverse it, then you can route it to M254. The loco would always disappear into the depths of the FLT if routed in there! Signalman Exeter West & Llangollen Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 04/03/2014 at 22:03 #56541 | |
postal
5190 posts |
The TT is confusing, but the answer is there for you. The location Gartsherrie Spur also includes the Gartcosh chord. Signal MG930 is the signal facing Up Trains coming from Gartcosh (and is the "Plt" shown in the TT. Run the train towards Gartcosh and it will reverse behind that signal to go back into the DGL. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 04/03/2014 at 22:09 #56543 | |
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Pinza
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" said:Only way I can see (and I haven't got a registered version of this sim yet!) is to get a slot from Gartcosh Junction on the single line and effectively block back behind MG930 to reverse it, then you can route it to M254.Yes that looks as if it will work - explains the reference to signal MG930 that I couldn't for the life of me find earlier! However, to get there means going back behind MG881 - where I have just split from 4L81! Assuming it will let me go back there - and why the move into the Spur? Must a-bed and look at issue tomorrow! Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 04/03/2014 at 22:15 #56544 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
" said:The TT is confusing, but the answer is there for you.Thanks, Postal - missed your reply as I made previous post. When I read Spur, I took that literally. Will be embarrassed (as ever) if manual tells me otherwise... Doh! Hey ho - explains reference to MG930 in TT that confused me! Last edited: 04/03/2014 at 22:15 by Pinza Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 04/03/2014 at 22:26 #56545 | |
Steamer
3922 posts |
I've added a quick note to the manual.
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 04/03/2014 at 22:44 #56546 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
" said:I've added a quick note to the manual.Hopefully it was this bit - Trains booked to reverse at Gartsherrie Spur may use either the Spur itself or reverse behind MG930 on the Gartcosh Single. or some other useful addition and I've not made a fool of myself again! Many thanks all! Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 05/03/2014 at 21:03 #56591 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
Sorry to be a pain, but I'm still struggling with 4L81. In F2 screen, 4L81 is still waiting for for joining 0L81-2 (with no power). I lost that LE by wrongly routing it into Coatbridge FLT. 0L81-2 is missing from F2 screen - have tried duplicating train in F4 TT editor with a)exact same ID, b) exact same ID with later start time than current sim time c) as duplicated 0L81-3 and d) as 0L81-3 with later start time than current time. No version of 0L81 shows in my F2 list so can't move it - thereby blocking Coatbridge area. On the verge of just removing 4L81 under extreme measures. Have read and re-read instructions on editing timetables but no joy! Can anyone help me find a loco to work this train before I delete it? I now know how to route 0L81 correctly, if only I can reinstate it! Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 05/03/2014 at 21:39 #56592 | |
BarryM
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Have you updated the Entry Point? Suggest when creating the new TT, try giving the loco an entirely different headcode and adjust 4L81's TT accordingly. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 05/03/2014 at 23:04 #56594 | |
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Pinza
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" said:Have you updated the Entry Point?Cheers Barry  Just got out of bath and read your suggestion. My problem was trying to re-create 0L81-2 from Coatbridge DGL which is not an entry point! Duplicated 0L81-2, renamed it 0Z99 and most importantly changed the entry point to Coatbridge FLT (Down). Only thing I forgot to do was update the timings - so entry time was 00:00 Chuffed to bits when FLT Foreman finally offered me my replacement loco - sadly 1254 mins late after not updating timings! Think all I need to do now is update 4L81 to expect 0Z99 as join and all is sorted! Apart from the multitude of irate drivers phoning me whilst I sorted this out...  Thanks again Barry Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 06/03/2014 at 00:35 #56599 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
Is late, must put this thread and myself to bed: Steep learning curve, but finally got 4L81 away 2 hours late! Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 06/03/2014 at 04:48 #56603 | |
flymo
135 posts |
I can't remember if it was this one I had difficulties with too but I think it must have been. Anyway the light loco running round I think I must have had done the same as you and ran it into the spur without giving it a second thought. Anyway it was only then that I noticed there was no path from the spur to M253. So I spotted what I had done wrong and simply ran the light loco back into the DGL with the intention to reverse it down to the Gartcosh line and from there to M253. Anyhow when the light loco ran down onto the Gartcosh line it just kept on going as it was now non-ARS. I got a message about an electric loco sent onto an non electrified line but it just kept going After I saw this I quickly reversed direction of the light loco before it left the sim and it ran back and stopped at MG930. After that the loco ran via M253 and eventually coupled onto the train in the DGL. It wasn't a 2 hour delay but certainly over half an hour. Happy days.. Kept me on my toes after that.... haha.EDIT - Incidentally 4L89 needs the same loco run round. Last edited: 06/03/2014 at 04:51 by flymo Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 06/03/2014 at 08:52 #56605 | |
Peter Bennet
5360 posts |
" said:Anyhow when the light loco ran down onto the Gartcosh line it just kept on going as it was now non-ARS. I got a message about an electric loco sent onto an non electrified line but it just kept goingThat does not seem right, it should recognise behind MG930 as the "Spur" stopping point. I'll need to check the coding, but then if it's already been to "Spur" once and you did not reset the timetable then it may have become confused as to where it was. Also am not sure how you managed to get it back if it had already run off the wires! Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 06/03/2014 at 09:39 #56606 | |
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flymo
135 posts |
Yeah, I think I had not reset the timetable so that was my error there, no problem in the sim I think. Regarding the loco running off the wires, sorry I haven't got the saved game any more, I'm pretty sure there was a message about OLxx being routed onto a non electrified line. I remember looking at the train list then and simply reversed the loco to keep it in the sim. I have no idea how far it had went but it did seem to be moving and reversed OK. EDIT. Having done a couple of test trains I think I now understand what happened with the electric loco being off the wires. I got the incident alert saying the electric traction had been sent into an unwired area but I now believe that I got the train to reverse before the 'incorrect electrification' message appeared on the f2 box. There must therefore have been one track circuit occupied on the Gartcosh line which I just never noticed. Sorry for the confusion. Last edited: 06/03/2014 at 10:28 by flymo Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 06/03/2014 at 11:01 #56611 | |
northroad
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I can understand why there might be some confusion here. I have just reached this time in the timetable and would note the following. Remembering that I am using ARS with the timetable time at 19:15 4L81 has finished dividing and the loco 0L81-2 is now waiting the route to signal 930. Before it's due departure time ARS has just set the route for 7G21 to pass through Coatbridge Central and on towards Garqueen North Junction. 7G21 is on time and this setting by the ARS has therefore blocked the route of 0L81-2 out of the Down Goods Loop and into the Gartsherrie spur as indicated. As a result of not having a route it might then be tempting to route 0L81-2 into the track shown as the spur rather than to signal 930, which is after all on the Gartcosh Junction single line track (as indicated on the sim view). My opinion for what it's worth is that maybe the option for the timetable editor should be able to indicate the move to Gartcosh Junction, with the option in the timetable editor for the Platform to indicate the signal 930 with a near end stop. Just my opinion as I say. Further update on this, is that along with ARS the run around has been completed successfully but 0L81-2 did arrive a few minutes late to complete the join, because of the clash with 7G21. Geoff. Last edited: 06/03/2014 at 11:43 by northroad Reason: Update Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 06/03/2014 at 14:02 #56617 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:My opinion for what it's worth is that maybe the option for the timetable editor should be able to indicate the move to Gartcosh Junction, with the option in the timetable editor for the Platform to indicate the signal 930 with a near end stop.The option should be "SPUR" with or without PLT=930, though if you are not relying on ARS you can do what you want: there is no penalty for using one vice the other- save you can get in a mess. If I start making them separate locations the options can become more prescriptive. On the matter of electrification, I seem to recall that there is a Sim limitation that requires the full route segment up to the Cowlairs signal to be electrified otherwise an electric train will refuse to enter the route at all. There is some code to penalise overrunning in lieu of the lack of wires. So if the train is caught before it leaves the full route TCs you can rescue it. Arguably you should be able to propel an electric pushed train beyond the wires (is there a rule on that?), which you can do you just get penalised. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: northroad |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 29/07/2014 at 12:49 #63270 | |
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fruitnnut
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Being a retired signaller from the Motherwell Box, I can't understand why 4L81 shunts into the DGL then the loco runs round. This train and any freightliner heading south departed from the South End of the terminal (M248). The locomotives for these trains either came from a train that had arrived at the North End earlier and the locos ran from the North End to the South End or they ran light from Mossend Holding Sidings to the South End. Henry Log in to reply The following user said thank you: postal |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 29/07/2014 at 17:54 #63283 | |
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postal
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" said:Being a retired signaller from the Motherwell Box, I can't understand why 4L81 shunts into the DGL then the loco runs round. This train and any freightliner heading south departed from the South End of the terminal (M248). The locomotives for these trains either came from a train that had arrived at the North End earlier and the locos ran from the North End to the South End or they ran light from Mossend Holding Sidings to the South End.Henry I've passed the comments on to James Roberts (TT writer) in case he misses them here. Either he or I will report back here. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| 4L81 1941 Coatbridge - Tilbury RunRound query 29/07/2014 at 19:39 #63295 | |
Meld
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" said:Being a retired signaller from the Motherwell Box, I can't understand why 4L81 shunts into the DGL then the loco runs round. This train and any freightliner heading south departed from the South End of the terminal (M248). The locomotives for these trains either came from a train that had arrived at the North End earlier and the locos ran from the North End to the South End or they ran light from Mossend Holding Sidings to the South End.Out of interest , what is the maximum length of train you can propel into the FLT from both the spur and the Gartcosh line ? Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |