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| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 12:15 #60522 | |
northroad
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In the Exeter Simulation I have just routed 4V88 through from Honiton in the Summer weekend in Devon timetable. Time is 02:27 and 4V88 is now at Exeter Central waiting to get to Exeter St David's up the bank. A couple of things to note. 1. The Honiton 'train in section' is still showing as highlighted in red even though the line Normal/accept arrow has now been turned back to the normal position. Is this a problem that has already reported as surely this should not still be showing as 'train in section'. Is this a known bug? 2. A small point with 4V88 is that the timetable shows as going to Platform 1 at Exeter St David's at 02:38 but Platform 1 is occupied by 1B64 until 02:39. I could route it to Platform 3 and then onto Riverside Yard as 5V88. I don't think holding it on the bank would be a good idea. This is probably what would happen in real life anyway surely. Geoff Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 12:16 #60523 | |
lazzer
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Have you clicked the "ARR" button to tell Honiton that the train has arrived at Pinhoe?
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| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 12:22 #60524 | |
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northroad
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Yep, should have read the manual with that one. A tad different to the North East Scotland sim and the block used on that Any thoughts on 4V88? Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 12:44 #60527 | |
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lazzer
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Well, it would be on a downhill slope, so it wouldn't have a problem restarting. I'd be tempted to make it wait a couple of minutes for P1 to become available. I've looked through the Sectional Appendix, and there are no local instructions regarding the holding of trains on the incline. The only instructions for the incline refer to trains coming to a stand going UP the bank and not being able to restart.
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| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 13:11 #60532 | |
maxand
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There was a recent discussion on understanding the Honiton "train in section" here. It becomes second nature after a while. As for 4V88, Platforms 1 and 3 are so popular that I'd do anything to move a train that is ultimately bound for West Yard or Riverside Yard out of Exeter St. Davids as soon as possible even if it means routing it through the wrong platform. I don't think the penalty for doing this is significant. HTH. Last edited: 15/05/2014 at 13:11 by maxand Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 13:17 #60533 | |
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AndyG
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Yes it's downhill from Central to St David's (1:37), but the signalling won't show a proceed from central until the route is clear through to St David's, thus preventing a train from being detained halfway down. Similar arrangements apply towards Central too, so that a train is not forced to restart on the uphill bank. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 15/05/2014 at 13:17 by AndyG Reason: grammar Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 13:19 #60534 | |
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lazzer
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" said:Yes it's downhill from Central to St David's (1:37), but the signalling won't show a proceed from central until the route is clear through to St David's, thus preventing a train from being detained halfway down. Yes, I omitted to mention that. :whistle: Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 17:54 #60568 | |
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northroad
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" said:Yes it's downhill from Central to St David's (1:37),Silly question but when looking at the Sim it has a little arrow underneath the word incline which to me is indicating it's down hill from St. David's to Central and 4V88 would therefore be going up the 1:37. Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 17:57 #60569 | |
headshot119
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Definitely up the hill from St Davids - Central
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| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 18:06 #60571 | |
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northroad
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" said:Definitely up the hill from St Davids - CentralYep, you are right. Just had a look at you tube and seen what can happen to steam going up the hill. Not a pleasant thing to happen but certainly worth watching. Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 18:07 #60572 | |
jc92
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" said:Yes it's downhill from Central to St David's (1:37), but the signalling won't show a proceed from central until the route is clear through to St David's, thus preventing a train from being detained halfway down.prior to the PSB opening, light locos could be accepted by west box without having a line clear from middle box (the equivalent of having set the route through to red cow as they were deemed capable of stopping on the incline. this ended when the PSB opened, presumably due to the danger of a mis-described train. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 18:12 #60573 | |
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sloppyjag
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Definitely uphill. Linky
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| Tran in section from Honiton 15/05/2014 at 21:26 #60591 | |
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Danny252
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If in doubt, open the regulator even more than you already have?
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| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 11:48 #60617 | |
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maxand
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I've embedded sloppyjag's great video here so those who remember watching it but can't find the post with the original link will recognize it. (Was having problems with this forum's search engine too). [video width=425 height=344 type=youtube]cHF208pfsck[/video] While looking for it I came across this related thread which adds extra information: Exeter St Davids to Central  The word "INCLINE" is ambiguous and this is not helped by the arrow underneath it. This confused Geoff (northroad) too. May I suggest that the arrow be kept in place but "UPHILL" substituted for "INCLINE". I hope this doesn't contradict the official terminology used on these screens. Last edited: 17/05/2014 at 11:51 by maxand Log in to reply The following users said thank you: sloppyjag, northroad |
| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 12:45 #60621 | |
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jc92
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" said:The Arrow Points uphill? (that was my interpretation of that symbol, along with the manual and background material which indicates which way the incline is. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 17/05/2014 at 12:45 by jc92 Log in to reply The following user said thank you: northroad |
| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 12:58 #60623 | |
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AndyG
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Possible that the 'arrow' might in fact be intended to be a (uni-)direction indicator, albeit there should also be a pair of arrows on the opposing reversible track. Not helped by being a vertical rather than horizontal bit of trackwork. Incline would be the correct term for an ascending track as here, as opposed to decline? I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 13:12 #60625 | |
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lazzer
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I came up with a novel solution to this "problem". I've remembered that it goes uphill from St. David's to Central. Call me antiquated ...
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| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 14:01 #60630 | |
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maxand
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Quote:Incline would be the correct term for an ascending track as here, as opposed to decline? Is that official or just your guess (hence the question mark)? Quote: I came up with a novel solution to this "problem". I've remembered that it goes uphill from St. David's to Central. Call me antiquated ...Hi, antiquated. Where do you remember this from? An actual train ride? An earlier forum thread? Certainly not from the Wiki page: Quote: however trains from Exeter Central cannot be called in to Platforms 1 and 3 at Exeter St. David’s due to the steep downhill gradient at between (sic) the Central and St. David’s.Again, as clear as mud to those without local knowledge - it still doesn't actually say which way is "downhill"! Last edited: 17/05/2014 at 14:19 by maxand Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 14:21 #60632 | |
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AndyG
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" said:Steep downhill between Central and St.David's says to me that it's downhill from Central to St. David's. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 14:21 #60633 | |
Steamer
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Wiki grammar sorted, and changed to "the steep downhill gradient from Central to St. David's" to avoid confusion.
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| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 14:26 #60634 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Ironically none of this debate about inclines has anything to do with the Tokenless Block that was the subject of this thread.
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| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 14:29 #60635 | |
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lazzer
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" said:Hi, antiquated. Where do you remember this from? An actual train ride? An earlier forum thread? Certainly not from the Wiki page:As you quoted from said manual: "... due to the steep downhill gradient at between the Central and St. David’s." (I will concede that this needs correcting grammatically!) I take that to mean that a train travelling from Central to St. David's is going downhill, and therefore a train going in the other direction is going uphill. Also, the word "incline" implies an uphill slope to me (in the direction of the arrow on the layout), as opposed to "decline". Finally, my job involves me driving trains through Exeter St. David's station, so I knew about it anyway. :whistle: And anyway, you now know which way is up and down, so why are you still arguing about it? A quick edit of the manual by the necessary party, and all those confused Simsig players you constantly refer to will know too. Log in to reply |
| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 14:58 #60637 | |
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Firefly
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If you're in any doubt, just look at where the trap points are. We don't need to trap trains that may be running away uphill because gravity takes care of that.
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| Tran in section from Honiton 17/05/2014 at 19:25 #60646 | |
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northroad
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Must admit that whilst negotiating the freight from Exeter Central to St. David's I suffered from the Sim Sig manual syndrome....why look at the manual when if you ask the question on the forum someone is bound to answer the question for you..  It was the arrow that did confuse me and depending on how you look at it then it could have meant up or down or even that just one line had an incline. Anyway the wiki amendment has now sorted out the problem....especially for those of us that read it like you should  Geoff Log in to reply The following user said thank you: maxand |
| Tran in section from Honiton 18/05/2014 at 16:28 #60672 | |
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LucasLCC
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Just in case there is any doubt at all, it is certainly uphill from EXD - EXC. Living next to EXD, I do not appreciate the uphill walk from here to the city centre! The line marked incline on the sim is only signalled in one direction, the direction of the incline. The arrow to me appears to be more of a direction marker than anything else... Lucas Last edited: 18/05/2014 at 16:29 by LucasLCC Log in to reply |