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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 23/08/2014 at 21:26 #64051
Gwasanaethau
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Hi all,

I have updated some of the timetables that were available for download to be compatible with v4.2 (loader version) of the Waterloo sim. Links will follow.

Please note that I have simply updated the timetables for compatibility. On one or two of the timetables I have fixed any glaringly obvious issues (such as mismatched train lengths), but other than that I have left the original timetable as it was. I have not updated the seed trains to seed at signals: they will still seed from entry points as before.

Credit for the timetable creations/compilations still rests with the original timetable authors. Also, thanks goes to Clive for copious use of his convdata programme.

The timetables that have been updated are:

1: 17 Jan 2004
2: Bank Holiday Friday August 2005
3: Summer 2003
4: Summer Sunday 2008 - Ficticious

I also updated the SX 2010 timetables, but I believe CTCThiago has already uploaded an update for that timetable.

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 24/08/2014 at 05:24 #64054
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Thanks for the update on these timetables Looking forward to use them when released.

Thiago.

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 24/08/2014 at 10:13 #64056
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Just a quick note to say these are now available in the downloads area.

Gareth you've done a fantastic job updating these so quickly so that people can enjoy them on the new loader sim. It's always a shame when timetables fall by the way side during updates.

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 24/08/2014 at 10:17 #64057
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Am I right in thinking that the only versions of the 1985 TT still around are those that people have on their computers from the "old days"?
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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 24/08/2014 at 12:37 #64063
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Am I right in thinking that the only versions of the 1985 TT still around are those that people have on their computers from the "old days"?
I authorised the v4.1 ones but have not deleted the old ones yet.

Peter

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 24/08/2014 at 14:24 #64065
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Does that mean it will be available here at some point?
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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 25/08/2014 at 17:30 #64116
Gwasanaethau
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Sorry for the late reply all, I was away yesterday. The links for these timetables are:

1: 17 Jan 2004
2: Bank Holiday Friday August 2005
3: Summer 2003
4: Summer Sunday 2008 - Ficticious

Enjoy!

Mark (Gwasanaethau)

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 29/08/2014 at 19:44 #64210
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I've spent the last few days this week writing a summer 1988 timetable for Waterloo, but due to the fact that you can't 'seed' trains at the buffer stops everything has had to be 'seeded' at signals at the station throat. So its quite mnic for the first few minutes, but at present its the best I can do as some trains divide in the station to form other departures the next morning. The station working book also has trains originating from P20 & P21, so I've used those at Waterloo International to save alot of hassle trying to re-allocate platforms. As you will see from this copy of the start of the timetable so far. In any event when the timetable is complete I'll let a few people test it prior to it being uploaded. Any volunteers let me know via PM & I'll let you know nearer the time of completion.
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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 30/08/2014 at 00:26 #64215
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Nice. How many other concessions did you have to make/what is more restricted/harder today than back then due to the track layout, aside from that and the removal of one of the Windsor lines? What was the track layout of the station like pre-International (could you access 20/21 from the main lines, for instance)? This is more curiosity than anything else.
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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 30/08/2014 at 08:23 #64217
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Nice. How many other concessions did you have to make/what is more restricted/harder today than back then due to the track layout, aside from that and the removal of one of the Windsor lines? What was the track layout of the station like pre-International (could you access 20/21 from the main lines, for instance)? This is more curiosity than anything else.

This was the layout in 1936 http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/pdf/Waterloo_1936.36D.PDF . I think I'm right in saying the main changes were removal of the Necropolis Station connections after it was bombed during the war and abolition of part of the West Crossing in connection with replacing the frame with a panel in '84.

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 30/08/2014 at 09:42 #64218
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In the 1988 Waterloo station working book there is a shunt move from the 'Dock' which isn't in the current layout at Waterloo. There were some sidings at the other side of P19 as I took a photo of a Cl.31 stabled there in November 1987 during a Network South East day. From the station working book :-'4B02 2300 Basingstoke - London Waterloo Parcels formed of 2NJVs arrives in P12. This then forms 5O99 00+10 Empty NPCCS shunt to the 'Dock'. Then 5O99 arrives in the 'Dock' at 00+14 & berths there until 0525MX. Obviously due to the 'Dock' not being on the sim I've left this shunt out & consisted the 2NJVs onto the inwards train that these 2 vans would Join to form the departure in the morning. I did think about using the other platforms in the International terminal as an alternative, but I think there would be a problem trying to reverse trains from there back into the other platforms at Waterloo.
Barry yes I've had the sim stop running several times whilst compiling this timetable. I have found a way to reduce the number of times this happens by selecting the sim to start on pause when it boots up. Never had it happen on any other sim only Waterloo. I wondered whether it had anything to do with the high number of trains on the panels at the start of the sim? Hopefully Geoff will get to the bottom of it at some point.

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 30/08/2014 at 10:34 #64221
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Nice. How many other concessions did you have to make/what is more restricted/harder today than back then due to the track layout, aside from that and the removal of one of the Windsor lines? What was the track layout of the station like pre-International (could you access 20/21 from the main lines, for instance)? This is more curiosity than anything else.

This was the layout in 1936 http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/pdf/Waterloo_1936.36D.PDF . I think I'm right in saying the main changes were removal of the Necropolis Station connections after it was bombed during the war and abolition of part of the West Crossing in connection with replacing the frame with a panel in '84.
Does this mean the weirdness of one of the Windsor lines disappearing and turning into a main relief was still present in the 80s?

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 30/08/2014 at 11:41 #64223
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Sorry for posting this on the wrong thread. Revised start of Waterloo summer 1988 tt with missing train 2C50 added. However this train has been seeded on the UWF at Vauxhall station. The only issue I'm having is that the TD is not appearing for this train when the sim starts. Whether the train in front of it is having a bearing on this I'm not sure. This is about the best I'm going to get it at the moment.
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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 30/08/2014 at 23:56 #64230
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Sorry for posting this on the wrong thread. Revised start of Waterloo summer 1988 tt with missing train 2C50 added. However this train has been seeded on the UWF at Vauxhall station. The only issue I'm having is that the TD is not appearing for this train when the sim starts. Whether the train in front of it is having a bearing on this I'm not sure. This is about the best I'm going to get it at the moment.
Need to seed 2C50 to 122. 88's TC is occupied.

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 31/08/2014 at 09:14 #64231
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Barry I've re-seeded it at signal 103 & that works OK now. Cheers for that.
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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 01/09/2014 at 10:27 #64283
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Peter, are there any plans to add an entry location of 'Wimbledon Park CSD' so as to enable trains to enter from that part of the sim? At present having to use 'Up Main Slow9Wimbledon)' as a substitute.
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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 01/09/2014 at 12:22 #64286
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Waterloo was resignalled in 1990-91 with the International platforms being done in 1993. I think any era earlier than that would be deserving of a different sim as I suspect the track layout would be alot different.
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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 01/09/2014 at 21:25 #64311
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Peter, are there any plans to add an entry location of 'Wimbledon Park CSD' so as to enable trains to enter from that part of the sim? At present having to use 'Up Main Slow9Wimbledon)' as a substitute.
No.

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Timetable Updates for Sim Version 4.2 04/09/2014 at 13:50 #64395
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Nice. How many other concessions did you have to make/what is more restricted/harder today than back then due to the track layout, aside from that and the removal of one of the Windsor lines? What was the track layout of the station like pre-International (could you access 20/21 from the main lines, for instance)? This is more curiosity than anything else.

This was the layout in 1936 http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/pdf/Waterloo_1936.36D.PDF . I think I'm right in saying the main changes were removal of the Necropolis Station connections after it was bombed during the war and abolition of part of the West Crossing in connection with replacing the frame with a panel in '84.
Does this mean the weirdness of one of the Windsor lines disappearing and turning into a main relief was still present in the 80s?

Indeed. In 1936 the up Windsor through and up Windsor local merged at the London end of Vauxhall Station, at which point the up main relief diverged from the up main through. This remained when the L frame was replaced by a panel in 1984 and the present layout was, as Tom says, created in connection with the opening of the International Station in the early '90s. I think I'm right in saying the up relief was extremely useful for drawing empty cars toward the station and of course the West Crossing gave access to both sides.

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