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Loader XML TT Format 12/12/2014 at 09:28 #66506
Danny252
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Would it be possible to get a listing of valid XML tags and attributes for the loader Timetable format, and (if someone's feeling generous!) the effect they have? The majority are quite self explanatory (a lovely feature of XML), but there's a lot of features which would require some pretty exhaustive clicking of every option to force the tags to be created.

Also, a couple of queries, after poking around last night:

Some trains, but not all, have entries relating to Up/Down direction at locations. Are these entries important, or can they be ignored?

The TT for each train duplicates the Train Category settings (Max Speed and so on) - is it required that these are copied across, despite the reference to the relevant Train Category ID within each TT?

Last edited: 12/12/2014 at 09:31 by Danny252
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Loader XML TT Format 12/12/2014 at 12:02 #66510
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Disclaimer: I do not know the official spec of the XML schema. Only been poking as you did.

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Some trains, but not all, have entries relating to Up/Down direction at locations. Are these entries important, or can they be ignored?
Can be ignored.

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The TT for each train duplicates the Train Category settings (Max Speed and so on) - is it required that these are copied across, despite the reference to the relevant Train Category ID within each TT?
Not 100% sure, but IMHO yes (what's easier than checking by deleting them in an existing timetable?). Actually I think the sim never uses the train category entries (when running), it's just an aid for timetable writers.

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there's a lot of features which would require some pretty exhaustive clicking of every option to force the tags to be created.
Not really.

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Loader XML TT Format 12/12/2014 at 20:50 #66548
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Personally, I'd rather welcome some documentation on the representation of stored delays. I've been trying to write myself a timetable cleaner using FreeBasic and it's become apparent that it's not as simple a matter as just deleting lines with a <Delay> tag in them.

On that topic, is there any chance of the 'clean' function already available to developer users being released to us lesser mortals?!

Mike

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Loader XML TT Format 12/12/2014 at 21:22 #66551
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" said:
Personally, I'd rather welcome some documentation on the representation of stored delays. I've been trying to write myself a timetable cleaner using FreeBasic and it's become apparent that it's not as simple a matter as just deleting lines with a <Delay> tag in them.

On that topic, is there any chance of the 'clean' function already available to developer users being released to us lesser mortals?!

Mike
If I have understood correctly, the latest version of the loader now resets the TT to Day Zero when loading and then adds in any delays as appropriate to the level of difficulty selected (i.e. even if there are any delays embedded in the TT from a previous run, these are discounted when the TT is re-loaded and a new set entered if required). Removes the need for the "clean" function.

If I've got that right, you should get a clean TT if you load up using the Perfect scenario or as near to it as the sim offers and then immediately save the TT.

However, it's all a bit technical for me (Geoff needed a hammer and chisel to get the message through to my limited thinking resources) so I could have misunderstood.

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Last edited: 12/12/2014 at 21:23 by postal
Reason: spelling

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Loader XML TT Format 12/12/2014 at 22:00 #66555
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Some of the things saved in a timetable aren't necessary for just a timetable but this same data gets embedded in a saved game. As people have already said, delay, up/down direction, and the contents of the train category aren't required (but do no harm either). Cleaning is not required as the delays are reset.

Will get a schema up at some point but it needs explanation, not just pasting it up here.

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Loader XML TT Format 13/12/2014 at 12:36 #66591
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Some of the things saved in a timetable aren't necessary for just a timetable but this same data gets embedded in a saved game.
Ah, that explains a few things - thanks for that.

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Loader XML TT Format 19/12/2014 at 23:08 #66855
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Since my old thread has been dug up, would it be possible please to get a response to this delay-related issue, specifically why in clean developer modes trains still repeatedly enter one minute late (not sim specific)

Thanks.

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Loader XML TT Format 20/12/2014 at 08:55 #66856
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Since my old thread has been dug up, would it be possible please to get a response to this delay-related issue, specifically why in clean developer modes trains still repeatedly enter one minute late (not sim specific)

Thanks.
That's something I've noticed when testing Sims I'm building. Start a Sim paused and write a timetable with entry time 00.00 then unpause - the train will enter late with DLY=1. If you save an reload the Timetable says no delay initially but then the train is delayed and DLY=1 appears in the box. I've taken it to be an issue with 00.00 and a mild irritant but not explored it any further than that.

Just retried with the entry time set as 00.00H and the train entered just after 00.01, so around 1/2 a minute late and nothing recorded in the DLY box.

If I timetable the train to enter at 00.01 it enters at 00.01. but if I start the Sim at 00.00.30 the 00.01 train enters around 00.01.30 but with no DLY shown.

Prima-facie it looks like it does not like trains that enter within the first minute after launch.

I'll report it on the bug board and see what transpires. (12191)

Peter

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Last edited: 20/12/2014 at 09:14 by Peter Bennet
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Loader XML TT Format 26/12/2014 at 01:18 #67040
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" said:
the contents of the train category aren't required (but do no harm either).
It appears that this is actually required - if I don't copy over the (non-default) values, the sim assumes a train of zero length and zero max speed, which leads to some intriguing errors! It appears that the train category ID is only used to read the name of the train category, leading to the train category page showing the correct name but a default set of values.

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Loader XML TT Format 26/12/2014 at 15:40 #67059
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" said:
" said:
the contents of the train category aren't required (but do no harm either).
It appears that this is actually required - if I don't copy over the (non-default) values, the sim assumes a train of zero length and zero max speed, which leads to some intriguing errors! It appears that the train category ID is only used to read the name of the train category, leading to the train category page showing the correct name but a default set of values.

There must have been a misunderstanding - this is exactly what I (and I'm sure Geoff too) meant. To clarify,
[table]
[tr]
[td]//Timetable/MaxSpeed and others[/td]
[td]is used by the sim, if not present, 0/empty is used[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]//Timetable/Category[/td]
[td]isn't used in game, irrelevant[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]//TrainCategory/*[/td]
[td]isn't used in game, irrelevant[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

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