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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 13:31 #67092
DaveHarries
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Afternoon all,

I have just been looking in the Network Rail WTT for information on these trains but I cannot find them.

If things are correct they should be in the Sunday TT of booklet YA but all I can find is passenger trains and indeed the index document says that the info includes " contains passenger and parcels train services, together with associated stock and any light engine movements" but all I can find are passenger trains which is odd.

Does anyone know the train IDs for:
- http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/H16406/2015-02-01
- http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/H16425/2015-02-01

I guess both trains are serving what I have marked on SimSig (a TT for which is why I need the information). In addition, RTT says that the above train is pathed as a "Diesel locomotive, trailing load 2000 tonnes" while the second one is a "Diesel locomotive, trailing load 600 tonnes".

if anyone has any info on:
- the reporting codes
- how I should set this up (in terms of
a) Accel / Braking Rate
b) Length
c) Maximum Speed (provided by RTT)

then I would be grateful to receive it.

One last point regarding the latter train. The WTT for the Mountsorrell train refers to "Welwyn G.C. F.D" which is, I presume, a freight depot. Seeing as I don't know the area at all, where would this be located? ATM I can only think to use the up sidings at Welwyn GC as no "FD" is marked.

Cheers,
Dave

Last edited: 27/12/2014 at 14:34 by DaveHarries
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 13:55 #67094
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The links are duds?

Mountsorrel is a stone terminal, so I assume these are freight services, in which case you wont find them in YA which is a passenger WTT. There is a seperate section for freight.

"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 13:56 #67095
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You'll have to edit the links to opentraintimes, this way they don't work
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 14:45 #67099
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Additionally, you can't really rely on the WTT for freight services. Whilst freightliner/intermodal services tend to run to the WTT, any thing else can either run to the WTT, run to modified timings, or not run at all (sometimes staying in the WTT for years after a train has stopped running) - and then there's all the freight that doesn't appear in the WTT at all!
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 17:04 #67110
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You want YH for the freight
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 17:31 #67116
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Got that. Thanks.

What type of wagons are these? In this photo, which shows a 6M33 working.....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jameswelham/8628288616/in/photostream/

..... and those wagons look the same type as seen here.....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/21611052@N02/15037182634

Are those the same type as the wagons shown in the first photo? In the first photo I make 41 wagons which, i think, makes the whole train 366.7m long if I am right (2x ECS Class 66 @ 21m each + 41x PGA wagons @ 7.92m each = 42m + 324.72m = 366.72m) and that could easily be done as a reverse at Langley Junction if I have things right.

But are those wagons MTA Open Ballast or something else? I am using the length calculator that can be downloaded here.....


..... but I am none the wiser. Clarification welcome.

Dave

Last edited: 27/12/2014 at 17:42 by DaveHarries
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 17:54 #67121
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The wagons are Lafarge aggregates PGA hoppers.
Last edited: 27/12/2014 at 17:54 by belly buster
Reason: Ninja edit

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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 18:20 #67124
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Dave you may also get an idea from looking at previous TT's for lengths, settings etc

Gareth

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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/12/2014 at 22:16 #67131
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hi davehere you go...

Sector 5 is DB Schenker working normally a class 66

Train 6H67 runs SUN from 01/02/15 to 01/02/15
Type VAR Diesel Loco Timed at 060mph
Sector 5 Train service code 56120628

Peterborough West Yard 0816
P'boro Eastfield Jn. 0818
Peterborough 0820
Peterborough East Jn. 0821
Whittlesea 0830
March 0843
Ely North Jn 0905
Ely 0909
Ely Dock Jn 0910
Coldham Lane Jn 0929
Cambridge 0930
Shepreth Branch Jn 0934
Royston 0951
Letchworth Garden City 1007
Hitchin 1011
Stevenage 1019
Langley Jn 1022-1024
Langley Redlands 1029

the other one............

Train 6M33 runs SUN from 14/12/14 to 10/05/15
Type WTT Diesel Loco Timed at 060mph
Sector 5 Train service code 56120628

Langley Redlands 1606
Woolmer Green Jn. 1614
Digswell Jn. 1617
Welwyn G.C. F.D. 1622-1655
Digswell Jn. 1657
Woolmer Green Jn. 1700
Stevenage 1705
Hitchin 1710
Sandy 1725
Huntingdon 1740
Holme Jn. 1751
Fletton Jn. 1758
Peterborough 1801-1810
Helpston Jn. 1817
Uffington Sb (Lincs) 1824
Ketton S.B. 1830
Luffenham 1833
Manton Jn 1837
Oakham 1841
Langham Jn. 1842
Ashwell L.C. 1844
Whissendine L.C. 1846
Melton Mowbray 1853
Frisby 1857
Syston East Jn 1906-1912
Syston North Jn 1914
Sileby Jn 1921
Mountsorrel Sdgs 1926


hope this helps any more just ask.....

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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 28/12/2014 at 10:45 #67140
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Aye thanks. I already wrote those in by using OTT. Just wasn't sure what lengths but I have set them up as follows:

6H67: 2x Class 66 @ 21m + 41x PGA Balast Wagons @ 7.92m = 42m + 324.72m = 366.72m
so I have set up 6H67 as 367m

6M33: 1x Class 66 @ 21m + 41x PGA Balast Wagons @ 7.92m = 21m + 324.72m = 345.72m
so I have set up 6M33 as 346m

I have, however, seen it suggested that 6H67 would be unlikely to run with 2x Class 66 as the reverse move at Langley Junction to get 6H67 into the stone terminal would simply be a case of the Class 66 pushing the train in. If I shortened the train to be 1x 66 instead of 2 when would SimSig still take it?

Dave

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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 28/12/2014 at 13:10 #67143
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According to the freight trains loads book the length limit for trains to Langley Junction or Mountsorrel is 60SLUs in both directions. That's 384m in total incl. the loco. So the lengths you have set for both trains are OK.
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 31/12/2014 at 12:46 #67245
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6H67 and 6M33 did run top & tailed at times because engineering work required it, but normally only 1 66 is used.

The other item to note is that the train is a self-discharge train, and so the consist includes the unloading wagon, which from memory is a KJA (similar to a KFA frame).

Looking at your photos, you have 20 of the 4 wheel hoppers (PHA), then the unloader (KJA), then another 20 4 wheel hoppers (PHA).

God bless, Daniel Wilson
Last edited: 31/12/2014 at 12:47 by onlydjw
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/05/2015 at 00:18 #72763
uboat
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is this timetable available for download as it was used in a multi play session?
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/05/2015 at 00:57 #72764
John
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It's not in the download area, so no.
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/05/2015 at 07:11 #72769
uboat
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maybe Dave is testing it before uploading it.
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/05/2015 at 17:09 #72780
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dave was testing it out before he uploads it
I am dyslexic so please consider this when reading my posts
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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/05/2015 at 18:30 #72781
DaveHarries
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Correct TJ.

Dave

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Freight queries, 01-Feb-2015 27/05/2015 at 20:27 #72783
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thanks dave
I am dyslexic so please consider this when reading my posts
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