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| ** News from Plumpton (Sussex) ** 30/09/2015 at 18:55 #76384 | |
DaveHarries
1272 posts |
Evening all, As some of us may be aware the road over the Level Crossing at Plumpton (Sussex) was to be closed until Monday 12th October for work to replace the wheel-operated crossing gates with a more modern system. But, of course, with the gates being listed, NR needed permission to remove them - and didn't get it! Following a meeting of the Planning Committee of Lewes District Council (LDC) the following has been posted on the Facebook page of the PLCC (Plumpton Level Crossing Campaign).  Fantastic! If I lived in the area I would be down there for a pint myself right now! In the meantime Plumpton retains its gates & gatewheel for a while longer at least. HTIOI, Dave Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 30/09/2015 at 21:23 by DaveHarries Log in to reply |
| ** Good News from Plumpton (Sussex) ** 30/09/2015 at 19:09 #76385 | |
jc92
3631 posts |
Presumably the council will charge locals a surcharge on their council tax to cover the increased cost of maintenance on the gates and continued cost of manning the box? :whistle:
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| ** News from Plumpton (Sussex) ** 30/09/2015 at 22:50 #76391 | |
Ron_J
329 posts |
These people are totally clueless. This is certainly not 'fantastic' news. In any case Network Rail - under Scottish law at least, though I'm certain it's the same in England and Wales - are exempt from planning constraints under "permitted development" laws which allow work directly related to the operational requirements of the railway to go ahead without needing planning permission. Network Rail's policy is always to seek planning consent anyway but legally they are not required to do so; NR could rip the gates out tomorrow if they were prepared for a bun fight. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Stephen Fulcher |
| ** News from Plumpton (Sussex) ** 01/10/2015 at 05:52 #76392 | |
Peter Bennet
5363 posts |
" said:Town & Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 1995 Schedule 2, Part 17 A DEVELOPMENT BY STATUTORY UNDERTAKERS Class A Railway or light railway undertakings A. Permitted development Development by railway undertakers on their operational land, required in connection with the movement of traffic by rail. A.1 Development not permitted Development is not permitted by Class A if it consists of or includes— (a)the construction of a railway, (b)the construction or erection of a hotel, railway station or bridge, or (c)the construction or erection otherwise than wholly within a railway station of— (i)an office, residential or educational building, or a building used for an industrial process, or (ii)a car park, shop, restaurant, garage, petrol filling station or other building or structure provided under transport legislation. A.2 Interpretation of Class A For the purposes of Class A, references to the construction or erection of any building or structure include references to the reconstruction or alteration of a building or structure where its design or external appearance would be materially affected. However, the case seems to relate to listed building consent rather that planning consent per se. I've not got time to look that up at the moment. " said:
Or they could just run a train through them by accident! Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 01/10/2015 at 05:59 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| ** News from Plumpton (Sussex) ** 01/10/2015 at 09:57 #76397 | |
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nnr
167 posts |
There was a similar kerfuffle at Frinton On Sea a few years back, but in the end "The Gates" were removed and an automatic installation was fitted. They had to do it in the dead of night for fear of "reprisals" by the locals........... Log in to reply |
| ** News from Plumpton (Sussex) ** 01/10/2015 at 18:04 #76415 | |
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pbinnersley
431 posts |
" said:These people are totally clueless. This is certainly not 'fantastic' news.It is agreed that the replacement of the gates is a permitted development, but the gates are deemed to be included in the signal boxes grade II listing. Network Rail therefore require listed building consent to remove the gates which is what the application covers. The planning committee report is at http://87.252.33.67/AnitePublicDocs/00224139.pdf. Network Rail have gone ahead with the closure of the road across the level crossing and are refusing to re-open it until the new crossing is installed. This has gone down like a lead balloon with the locals. I think this one has a while to run yet. Peter. Log in to reply |
| ** News from Plumpton (Sussex) ** 02/10/2015 at 16:37 #76444 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
2028 posts |
The locals will cause the closure of their own crossing. The old gates will be incompatible with any future signalling system and will be considered less safe. NR want to close as many as possible for the obvious safety benefit, and if the locals do not want the crossing to be modernised to be made safer then they give NR ample excuse. I suspect NR can appeal the decision of the Local Authority, but if the gates have to remain they obviously cannot remain closed to the railway as they will be in the way of trains, so the only place left to leave them is closed to road traffic. Log in to reply |