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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 12:00 #79331
postal
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Online 		A number of people use photographs of railway interest as their avatars. I often look at these and wonder where the shot was taken or what it is showing. I know we will be governed by the limitations of Kunena, but is it possible to have space in the profile to give details of the shot if the profile owner wishes to do that? Or even better, could something be set up to display a tooltip with the detail when the cursor is hovered over the image?
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 12:16 #79333
Oddjob
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130 posts 		My avatar picture was taken at Chelmsford, the signal is at the up end of the down platform. I took the picture from the bus station.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 12:18 #79334
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133 posts 		Mine was taken in the cab of a 1972 Tube Stock train at Paddington station.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 13:07 #79336
RainbowNines
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272 posts 		As a simpler fix, maybe those with railway avatars could add details of their picture to their signature?

EDIT: Like I've just added. Most people here don't have a sig here, so wouldn't cause too many probs!
Last edited: 29/12/2015 at 13:26 by RainbowNines
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 13:36 #79337
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130 posts 		" said:
As a simpler fix, maybe those with railway avatars could add details of their picture to their signature?

EDIT: Like I've just added. Most people here don't have a sig here, so wouldn't cause too many probs!
Have taken up your suggestion.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 14:25 #79338
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86 posts 		Done it too! Hope it helps
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 14:42 #79339
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39 posts 		My avatar is a superb painting by Norman Wilkinson of Willesden Yard during the Blitz I found quite by accident on the BBC website.

Here it is.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 14:47 #79340
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308 posts 		Mine is Tunbridge Wells.
RIP Feltham Panel 1
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 14:58 #79341
Dick
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386 posts 		Tornado crossing Holme fen south of Peterborough
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 15:54 #79342
Peter Bennet
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5362 posts 		" said:
My avatar is a superb painting by Norman Wilkinson of Willesden Yard during the Blitz I found quite by accident on the BBC website.

Here it is.

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At the risk of being a spoilsport - we have had issues of copyright and Avatars in the past, are you permitted to use that picture?

Peter

p.s. Mine's a class 40 at Carlisle (if I remember correctly)
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 16:18 #79343
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129 posts 		Mine is a trackside shot of the Up Main bracket (signals 29 & 32) at Bewdley South. Copyright (c) me.
Signalman Exeter West & Llangollen
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 16:18 #79344
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702 posts 		TPE Class 185 passing through Princess St Gardens; my own photo.
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 16:59 #79347
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39 posts 		" said:
" said:
My avatar is a superb painting by Norman Wilkinson of Willesden Yard during the Blitz I found quite by accident on the BBC website.

Here it is.

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At the risk of being a spoilsport - we have had issues of copyright and Avatars in the past, are you permitted to use that picture?

Peter

p.s. Mine's a class 40 at Carlisle (if I remember correctly)
My assumption was that if it's on the internet it's in the public domain. Also I've credited the creator and the source.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 17:26 #79349
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My assumption was that if it's on the internet it's in the public domain. Also I've credited the creator and the source.
That raises a couple of points.

Firstly, the BBC reproduction of the painting includes this note about the copyright (click on the credits and copyright information link):

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© the Norman Wilkinson estate
photo credit: National Railway Museum/Science & Society Picture Library
You may have credited the creator, but he is now deceased and not the copyright holder.

Secondly the BBC holds the reproduction in its Your Paintings archive. At this link the BBC give their terms and conditions for the reproduction of items in the archive. Under the section marked "What can I do with the images on the Your Paintings site?" it shows:

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The BBC and the Public Catalogue Foundation are committed to respecting the intellectual property rights of others. All images are covered by the BBC's standard terms and conditions.

Each image is also protected with a secure invisible digital watermark that allows the Public Catalogue Foundation and other copyright owners to identify and track any unauthorised use of the image.

The Public Catalogue Foundation is responsible for seeking permission to show works on the Your Paintings website from the museums and other collections that own the paintings, as well as from the artists and estates where the underlying works are still in copyright.

Images and data associated with the works may be reproduced for non-commercial research and private study purposes.

Any queries regarding permissions should be addressed to the museum or collection owning the work. Two sets of permissions are required if the artist is alive, or has been dead for less than 70 years (one from the collection, which retains copyright of the photographic image, and one from the rights holder of the painting). Permission is required solely from the collection if the artist has been dead for more than 70 years.

In very rare cases, photo copyright is held elsewhere; please check the photo copyright byline to be certain that it is held by the collection. Please see the PCF's website for more information.
I doubt you could class an avatar as "non-commercial research or private study" which is potentially putting SimSig at risk of copyright violation. Norman Wilkinson died in 1971 so 2 sets of permissions would be required to display the picture publicly.

It's all a long way from my original question about the feasibility of having the information about an avatar easily available!
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Last edited: 29/12/2015 at 17:29 by postal
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 17:33 #79350
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509 posts 		Avatar: 377703 at Stewarts Lane Depot immediately after being delivered from Bombardier.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 18:19 #79352
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26 posts 		Foulounoux is a commune just outside Chabanais in the Charente

My avatar is taken from the front of an Angouleme to Limoges service approaching Chabanais

Just in case anyone's wondering there is a track to the left of the unit in the picture
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Reason: Add last sentences
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 20:22 #79362
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39 posts 		Avatar now removed for the avoidance of doubt and to ensure that Simsig doesn't get into any bother due to any fault on my part.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 21:54 #79364
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359 posts 		My avatar image is of a class 92 with a dead in tow class 90 heading for Crewe IEMD. The class 92 had just performed a run round after coming in from Warrington direction. Wouldn't a Crewe sim be great fun? ;)
Last edited: 29/12/2015 at 21:56 by Class 92
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 22:04 #79365
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2738 posts 		" said:

My assumption was that if it's on the internet it's in the public domain.
Let me make this clear (and, yes, I *am* qualified in this area of law): that statement is totally and completely false. In the UK *everything* is copyright until that expires (which in most cases is 70 years after the creator's death). There is no such thing as "public domain" in UK copyright law.

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Also I've credited the creator and the source.
That won't help you. If someone says you can copy provided that you give credit, that's fine. But giving credit does *NOT* allow you to break copyright law.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 22:05 #79366
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124 posts 		Class 92, I agree with your smallprint
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 22:15 #79367
Peter Bennet
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5362 posts 		" said:
" said:

My assumption was that if it's on the internet it's in the public domain.
Let me make this clear (and, yes, I *am* qualified in this area of law): that statement is totally and completely false. In the UK *everything* is copyright until that expires (which in most cases is 70 years after the creator's death). There is no such thing as "public domain" in UK copyright law.

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Also I've credited the creator and the source.
That won't help you.
At work we use the term "in the public domain" as referring to information that is public.

Peter
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 22:31 #79369
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4869 posts 		" said:
" said:

My assumption was that if it's on the internet it's in the public domain.
Let me make this clear (and, yes, I *am* qualified in this area of law): that statement is totally and completely false. In the UK *everything* is copyright until that expires (which in most cases is 70 years after the creator's death). There is no such thing as "public domain" in UK copyright law.
Is there not?


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What happens when copyright expires?
When the term of copyright protection has expired, the work falls into the public domain. This means that the work, has effectively become public property and may be used freely.
It should be stressed that actual duration will vary under national laws, and you should check the laws of individual countries before you attempt to use a work.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 22:35 #79370
Peter Bennet
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5362 posts 		" said:
" said:
" said:

My assumption was that if it's on the internet it's in the public domain.
Let me make this clear (and, yes, I *am* qualified in this area of law): that statement is totally and completely false. In the UK *everything* is copyright until that expires (which in most cases is 70 years after the creator's death). There is no such thing as "public domain" in UK copyright law.
Is there not?


" said:

What happens when copyright expires?
When the term of copyright protection has expired, the work falls into the public domain. This means that the work, has effectively become public property and may be used freely.
It should be stressed that actual duration will vary under national laws, and you should check the laws of individual countries before you attempt to use a work.
That site seems to be giving general terms under the Berne Convention not a statement of UK law. It explicitly says "The above information is based on the current rules under the Berne Convention. The actual duration may be considerably higher under national laws. Under UK copyright law for example, the copyright duration is typically 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies."

Also it might be the case that it is defacto in the public domain without it being legally defined as such.

Peter
I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs!
Last edited: 29/12/2015 at 22:39 by Peter Bennet
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 22:40 #79371
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4869 posts 		I had assumed the information was somewhat authoritative as a previous employer advised us to contact there 24/7 helpline if we ran into any copyright queries in the reprographics department.

There help sheets like that where also our guidance for what we could and couldn't do.

I'd assumed they'd picked someone who knew what they where talking about after they got sued for copyright breach the first time round.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 22:43 #79373
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2738 posts 		" said:

At work we use the term "in the public domain" as referring to information that is public.
But the fact that it's public doesn't give you the right to copy it. Thus even though the tax manuals are available to the public if you can find where they've been put this week, you can't just put copies of them on your own web site or publish them.

But also note that copyright covers the *expression* of ideas, not of ideas themselves. So I can publish - without permission - something that says what the tax manuals do but in my own words and with my own examples. It's only copying the manuals themselves (or a substantive part of them) that's illegal.
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