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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 22:44 #79374
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At work we use the term "in the public domain" as referring to information that is public.
But the fact that it's public doesn't give you the right to copy it. Thus even though the tax manuals are available to the public if you can find where they've been put this week, you can't just put copies of them on your own web site or publish them.

But also note that copyright covers the *expression* of ideas, not of ideas themselves. So I can publish - without permission - something that says what the tax manuals do but in my own words and with my own examples. It's only copying the manuals themselves (or a substantive part of them) that's illegal.
And this is why copyright law is so complicated and misunderstood.
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 23:13 #79376
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At work we use the term "in the public domain" as referring to information that is public.
But the fact that it's public doesn't give you the right to copy it. Thus even though the tax manuals are available to the public if you can find where they've been put this week, you can't just put copies of them on your own web site or publish them.

But also note that copyright covers the *expression* of ideas, not of ideas themselves. So I can publish - without permission - something that says what the tax manuals do but in my own words and with my own examples. It's only copying the manuals themselves (or a substantive part of them) that's illegal.
I meant in the ICO context and nothing to do with copyright.


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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 23:20 #79378
Peter Bennet
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I had assumed the information was somewhat authoritative as a previous employer advised us to contact there 24/7 helpline if we ran into any copyright queries in the reprographics department.

There help sheets like that where also our guidance for what we could and couldn't do.

I'd assumed they'd picked someone who knew what they where talking about after they got sued for copyright breach the first time round.
I did not mean they did not know what they were talking about, just that the specific page linked appeared to be more general in nature than specific to the UK.

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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 23:28 #79381
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My assumption was that if it's on the internet it's in the public domain.
There is no such thing as "public domain" in UK copyright law.
Is there not?
That site seems to be giving general terms under the Berne Convention not a statement of UK law. It explicitly says "The above information is based on the current rules under the Berne Convention. The actual duration may be considerably higher under national laws. Under UK copyright law for example, the copyright duration is typically 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies."

Also it might be the case that it is defacto in the public domain without it being legally defined as such.

The term "public domain" can be a useful shorthand for things which aren't copyright, but it carries risks because it has a specific legal meaning in the USA and some people can get confused as a result.

The UK primary legislation simply talks about material where copyright has expired, material which has not qualified for copyright, and (implicitly) material which doesn't meet the criteria to be copyrightable (e.g. a literary work which has not been recorded in writing or equivalent).
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Avatar Images 29/12/2015 at 23:54 #79383
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5191 posts 		It's all a long way from my original question about the feasibility of having the information about an avatar easily available!
“In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe
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Avatar Images 30/12/2015 at 00:54 #79386
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2158 posts 		Uk Here

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Avatar Images 30/12/2015 at 10:15 #79394
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39 posts 		Oh dear! I seemed to have opened a can of worms here

Anyway, here's my new avator, 87002 at York (and it's my own photo!!)
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Avatar Images 30/12/2015 at 12:05 #79397
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173 posts 		The term "in the public domain" is quite often used as a means of saying the information concerned is readily available to the public. i.e. It's not confidential. e.g If I consent to the telephone directory publishing my name, address and number, then its in the public domain. You can use that information, but you cannot copy the directory.
It's to stop people using that information for purposes other than I intend that I make my entry ex-directory!
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Avatar Images 30/12/2015 at 12:43 #79398
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58 posts 		Northampton Midland railway station, later Northampton St Johns after the Grouping - closed in 1939 and still marked by an alley way called St Johns Station Passage that used to tunnel under the elevated station - must confuse the hell out of visitors who walk down it from town centre to Morrissons. Unable to attribute to a specific photographer but at least 75 years ago. Found under a creative commons licence and reproduced accordingly.
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Avatar Images 31/12/2015 at 10:00 #79429
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At work we use the term "in the public domain" as referring to information that is public.
But the fact that it's public doesn't give you the right to copy it. Thus even though the tax manuals are available to the public if you can find where they've been put this week, you can't just put copies of them on your own web site or publish them.

But also note that copyright covers the *expression* of ideas, not of ideas themselves. So I can publish - without permission - something that says what the tax manuals do but in my own words and with my own examples. It's only copying the manuals themselves (or a substantive part of them) that's illegal.
And this is why copyright law is so complicated and misunderstood.
Indeed. My husband made quite a good living teaching this at Masters level to already-qualified lawyers until he retired. Consequently I know more than I could ever need to know - quite frankly more than it is at all good for me to know - about copyright, which simply means I know how little I know. A nightmare for any non-expert!
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