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| Minutes recovered by user 22/12/2009 at 13:25 #424 | |
northroad
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I am busy playing with the Summer 2006 timetable and up to 05:40. I have had points deducted for late running but do not seem to be getting any points back for recovering minutes with some early running. Is the points system working properly on this SIM? or am I missing something and should not be expecting to get points back to the overall score. Geoff Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 22/12/2009 at 13:25 #5250 | |
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northroad
870 posts |
I am busy playing with the Summer 2006 timetable and up to 05:40. I have had points deducted for late running but do not seem to be getting any points back for recovering minutes with some early running. Is the points system working properly on this SIM? or am I missing something and should not be expecting to get points back to the overall score. Geoff Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 22/12/2009 at 13:42 #5252 | |
Sacro
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You don't get points for running things early! Passenger trains aren't allowed to depart early and if you're sending freight before time that's probably more likely to be an inconvenience to the freight yard.
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| Minutes recovered by user 22/12/2009 at 14:30 #5255 | |
GeoffM
6280 posts |
If you delay a train and then it eventually becomes on-time again (or early) then you will have lost points - no points are gained for getting it back on time as the delay was caused by yourself. If a train enters late and terminates or leaves the area with less delay than when it entered then you do gain points. The delay minutes are those relative to the entry delay, so if a train is 5 minutes late entering and 7 late when leaving then the delay incurred is 2 minutes and you'll be scored accordingly. The messages report the actual delay, not the scored delay if you see what I mean. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 22/12/2009 at 17:49 #5268 | |
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Adrian the Rock
111 posts |
One thing I've never fully understood - are the points calculated only on how late or not the train is when it leaves or terminates, or are points counted for every timing location it runs through?
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| Minutes recovered by user 22/12/2009 at 18:10 #5271 | |
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UKTrainMan
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I believe that the points are calculated for all timings points for each train, based on the actual timetable.
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| Minutes recovered by user 22/12/2009 at 20:22 #5278 | |
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GeoffM
6280 posts |
Scoring is at each location that the train is timed at - not intermediate stations where it is not in its timetable, nor when the timetabled time is 00:00.
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| Minutes recovered by user 20/08/2010 at 21:05 #10866 | |
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alan_s
152 posts |
Suppose a freight train enters early, and is getting in the way so you hold it in a loop until its booked time, and then it leaves on time - do you lose points for "minutes lost" as it leaves relatively later than it entered? Alan Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 21/08/2010 at 00:01 #10868 | |
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UKTrainMan
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I'm pretty confident that you shouldn't loose any points for holding back an early freight train as it's early. Of course if you delay it any more then you may start to loose points. That said, I seem to recall either reading once or being told once that freight trains do not affect the score anyway. This is possibly because or something to do with the fact that in real life they [freight trains] can run early or late if there is a path available for them. However, you do need to exercise some caution with freight trains - paths for trains are worked out for a very good reason and sending an early freight train onwards can cause delays to other trains further along the line, especially if the freight train needs to cross another line (i.e: travelling on the down line to a junction then crossing the up line to get somewhere) as it may clash with a train on the other line and that could potentially hold up a passenger train behind the freight train until the freight train can get moving. Hence, loops are very useful! Then again, on a simulation like KingsX, if it is around 4/5am you may want to get freight trains out of the way A.S.A.P. as some early morning trains may be running by then so you'll probably want to get the freight train out of the way for the passenger trains which, as said above, will affect the score if you delay them. Hope this extensive answer helps. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 21/08/2010 at 08:44 #10869 | |
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GeoffM
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UKTrainMan said:I'm pretty confident that you shouldn't loose any points for holding back an early freight train as it's early. Of course if you delay it any more then you may start to loose points.Correct. UKTrainMan said: That said, I seem to recall either reading once or being told once that freight trains do not affect the score anyway. This is possibly because or something to do with the fact that in real life they [freight trains] can run early or late if there is a path available for them.Hmm, I don't think so. I'll have to check. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 21/08/2010 at 08:46 #10870 | |
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alan_s
152 posts |
Thanks chaps for the swift and detailed responses.
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| Minutes recovered by user 21/08/2010 at 18:45 #10876 | |
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UKTrainMan
1803 posts |
GeoffM said:UKTrainMan said:I may have worded that wrong or misunderstood what I have read or been told and instead I read that or was told that freight trains are not scored under the timing points for being on-time or late. I'm sure it was something along those lines (i.e: freight trains may be scored different to passenger trains?!!).That said, I seem to recall either reading once or being told once that freight trains do not affect the score anyway. This is possibly because or something to do with the fact that in real life they [freight trains] can run early or late if there is a path available for them.Hmm, I don't think so. I'll have to check. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 24/08/2010 at 07:36 #10943 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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Sacro said:You don't get points for running things early! Passenger trains aren't allowed to depart early and if you're sending freight before time that's probably more likely to be an inconvenience to the freight yard. Why would that be an inconvenience? It's more of one to have a freight train sitting around doing nothing, burning diesel and stopping the possible preparation of the next train out. Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 24/08/2010 at 09:03 #10945 | |
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caedave
142 posts |
Sending freight early can also be of convenience. It can allow a freight to clear a section without delaying another, faster train which it would/could do if run to it's time. Dave M. Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 24/08/2010 at 11:35 #10951 | |
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GeoffM
6280 posts |
ralphjwchadkirk said:Sacro said:There is no single answer. It all depends on the situation. Sometimes it's beneficial to run a freight early; other times it's not.You don't get points for running things early! Passenger trains aren't allowed to depart early and if you're sending freight before time that's probably more likely to be an inconvenience to the freight yard. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Minutes recovered by user 24/08/2010 at 11:53 #10954 | |
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NorthSig
27 posts |
In real life, it can actually be a problem if things go too early. Most signallers would obtain agreement from control to let freight go significantly early, unless it just happened to be the next one booked along the line, or it was guaranteed that it could be accepted and recessed without causing more problems. Problems might not occur on your area, but the adjacent boxes might not be able to cope. One example would be a freight terminal that wasn't in a position to accept an early train - so it stands out on the main line blocking the way to all others. So you might say 'well we'll run it into this loop' but what if another train is booked into that very loop and now won't be able to go into it? That causes yet more out of kilter running, more delays, and more knock on issues. (We have loops here that even local stopping trains are booked into to be passed by expresses). And the blame finger always comes back at the root cause of the delays ... you, for running it too early. And so the fines merry-go-round spins once again.
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