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24-carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 12:00 #93125
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Link and Topic title renamed as "24-carat idiot" rather than "Nutter."

"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of its behind" - General Joseph "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell, 19/03/1883 – 12/10/1946, US Army General
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Nutter 15/02/2017 at 13:11 #93128
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I thought this was for me lol. Not surprised by the video in the slightest unfortunately
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Nutter 15/02/2017 at 14:14 #93131
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Nutter in post 93128 said:
I thought this was for me lol. Not surprised by the video in the slightest unfortunately
Oops. Apologies - forgot the topic title was also someone's user name.

"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of its behind" - General Joseph "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell, 19/03/1883 – 12/10/1946, US Army General
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Nutter 15/02/2017 at 16:28 #93136
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postal in post 93125 said:
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I do agree the driver was a bit of a berk but if you read the first paragraph of the BBC report it would appear he was doing nothing wrong apart from cutting it a bit fine.
Typical BBC bad reporting.

Geoff

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24 carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 16:41 #93137
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I think it also bad perception of some drivers.

I worked in a bar many years ago and one of the customers, was complaining about having to go to court for crossing a LC when the barriers were coming down and he hit them damaging them and his vehicle (which by the way was a HGV) his attatude was so what I done nothing wrong its only a train crossing.

I belive he only got a fine for it aswell

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24 carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 18:32 #93139
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northroad in post 93136 said:
. . . he was doing nothing wrong apart from cutting it a bit fine . . .
Not sure about that. The crossing sequence taken from the relevant ORR document is:

(a) the amber light on each of the road traffic light signals immediately shows and the audible warning begins. The amber lights should show for approximately 3 seconds (up to 5 seconds to suit road conditions);
(b) immediately the amber lights are extinguished, the intermittent red lights should show;
(c) approximately 4 to 6 seconds later the barriers should start to descend. Where pairs of barriers are provided, the right-hand side (see Appendix A) barriers should not begin to descend until the left-hand side (see Appendix A) barriers are fully down. The time for each barrier to reach the lowered position should normally be 6 to 10 seconds. At skew crossings, where the crossing distance is greater, barrier timings may need to be lengthened accordingly. The closure sequence should be monitored by the operator, particularly if queuing vehicles or heavy usage by pedestrians is likely to increase risk
(d) the audible warning for pedestrians should stop when all the barriers are fully lowered;
(e) the intermittent red lights should continue to show;
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(f) the crossing should be viewed carefully to ensure that there are no persons or obstructions present, before ‘crossing clear’ is confirmed and railway signals cleared for the passage of trains

So from the start of the red-light sequence until the start of the right hand barrier lowering is at least 10 seconds. The video shows the car car going over the crossing after the right-hand barriers had started to lower. If you think that jumping a red light at least 10 seconds after it has been displayed is just cutting it a bit fine, please don't be offended if you offer me a lift and I find that I have made other arrangements!

"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of its behind" - General Joseph "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell, 19/03/1883 – 12/10/1946, US Army General
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24 carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 19:48 #93141
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@Postal - It made me smile to be honest.

I ride a bike that looks a lot like a police bike (blood bike) and the amount of people I see on mobiles etc is just unbelievable because they think no one is watching. I overtook someone a few weeks ago on facebook at 60mph approaching a busy junction, so unfortunately not a lot surprises me on the roads any more

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24 carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 19:49 #93142
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Even emergency vehicles do not have dispensation to pass flashing red lights; it could well be that any driver passing said lights could be charged with dangerous driving as opposed to the lesser offence of jumping a red light.

In any case, passing ANY red light is an offence, not "cutting it a bit fine".

I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either.
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24 carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 20:12 #93143
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Nothing "cutting it fine" at all. Watch the video. The lights (already flashing red,)the nearside barriers already lowered and then and only then does the moron charge through on the wrong side of the road to reach the other side just before the opposite barriers miss hitting the car.

Offense one: Failing to stop (you should stop at steady yellow,you MUST stop at flashing reds).
Offense Two : Overtaking on double white lines.

RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 40 states:

The barriers on the nearside were already down well before this car appeared.The fact he's on the wrong side of the road proves he was overtaking stationary vehicles.

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24 carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 21:10 #93145
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postal in post 93139 said:
northroad in post 93136 said:
. . . he was doing nothing wrong apart from cutting it a bit fine . . .
Not sure about that. The crossing sequence taken from the relevant ORR document is:

(a) the amber light on each of the road traffic light signals immediately shows and the audible warning begins. The amber lights should show for approximately 3 seconds (up to 5 seconds to suit road conditions);
(b) immediately the amber lights are extinguished, the intermittent red lights should show;
(c) approximately 4 to 6 seconds later the barriers should start to descend. Where pairs of barriers are provided, the right-hand side (see Appendix A) barriers should not begin to descend until the left-hand side (see Appendix A) barriers are fully down. The time for each barrier to reach the lowered position should normally be 6 to 10 seconds. At skew crossings, where the crossing distance is greater, barrier timings may need to be lengthened accordingly. The closure sequence should be monitored by the operator, particularly if queuing vehicles or heavy usage by pedestrians is likely to increase risk
(d) the audible warning for pedestrians should stop when all the barriers are fully lowered;
(e) the intermittent red lights should continue to show;
and
(f) the crossing should be viewed carefully to ensure that there are no persons or obstructions present, before ‘crossing clear’ is confirmed and railway signals cleared for the passage of trains

So from the start of the red-light sequence until the start of the right hand barrier lowering is at least 10 seconds. The video shows the car car going over the crossing after the right-hand barriers had started to lower. If you think that jumping a red light at least 10 seconds after it has been displayed is just cutting it a bit fine, please don't be offended if you offer me a lift and I find that I have made other arrangements!
In my defence your honour.

I did call the driver a berk. What I was criticising was the text of the report from the BBC.

I do find it rather strange in this day and age when we have a level crossing where half of the barriers come down and are fully parked before the other half starts to come down and thus form an effective barrier. Better education is what is required. Whatever happened to the old fashioned clip on the television or poster in strategic places or even having a purge one day on level crossing usage in high risk areas. Let's face it we live in a country that has the highest percentage of CCTV cameras watching our every move why not have a camera positioned so that offenders registration numbers can be read and the proper action taken.
It is nice to know that those who have responded so far to this posting seem to be non law breakers when it comes to driving a car and know the law backwards as to exactly what the highway code says........ lets hope we can all educate the others who are oblivious to the rules of the road and behave like the chappie or chapess in the clip....

As for the offer of a lift don't worry postal my baby will go a lot faster than that in the clip. We would have been across and miles up the road before the lights started flashing.....

Geoff

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24 carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 21:42 #93148
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I remember one day I was operating a set of four manual gates (no wheel) when a driver sped through after I had the first two gates over (the equivelant position the barriers were at in the video). Thankfully i noted the reg plate and reported that via our control. I ended up getting interviewed by derbyshire police. Cut forward and the offender had a fine and points for it. Derbyshire police told me they had a zero tolerance policy for it but the trouble is noone ever reports it.

Now the incident with someone else throwing the annetts key for the gates at a car that did the same, putting a big dent in it... Thats a different story.

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24 carat idiot 15/02/2017 at 22:44 #93152
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northroad in post 93145 said:

Let's face it we live in a country that has the highest percentage of CCTV cameras watching our every move why not have a camera positioned so that offenders registration numbers can be read and the proper action taken.
It is done from time to time, though more often at AHBs where there's a bigger safety risk.

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24 carat idiot 17/02/2017 at 17:25 #93172
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You can see the YO road lights in the clip, and 17 seconds elapsed between the amber light first illuminating and him jumping the barriers. If he was sticking to the speed limit exactly he's travelled 249 yards in that time. This is ample time to stop.

That road is only 30mph too, so the driver was most likely in excess of the speed limit.

Watching that clip, I think a dangerous driving
charge would be justified, although identification of the vehicle could be difficult from that angle.

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