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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 19/05/2017 at 19:10 #95228
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In the "Cardiff Valleys SX 08 04 2015 0400 Start" timetable for the Cardiff Valleys sim, train 6C94 enters Cwmbargoed at 17:47 and is followed by 6C95 at 20:29. No train runs to Cwmbargoed between these two. I noticed that and so, when 6C94 called up for permission to enter, I authorised it to proceed on the ticket, which is now in. The staff is at Cwmbargoed. Despite this, it's 20:34 and 6C95 still won't enter. The Rules tab in this timetable is blank and no trains reference 6C95. I'm playing with no delays, so I can't see a reason why it won't enter, but unfortunately it won't, and until it does, I can't get the staff to Ystrad Mynach South, which is a bit of a problem, because there are two more trains booked to run to Cwmbargoed in this timetable.

Does anybody have any ideas?

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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 01:02 #95259
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Okay so at 20:59 4C96 enters from Cardiff Queen Street and runs down to Cwmbargoed. With 6C94 having deposited the ticket at Ystrad Mynach South, I was able to release the ticket and 4C96 ran down to Cwmbargoed from Ystrad Mynach South on the ticket without problems, even though the staff was still at Cwmbargoed. As soon as the staff and ticket were both at Cwmbargoed, 4C96 immediately entered and I authorised it to proceed on the staff and ticket.

I was never that hot on single line working, but this seems like a bug in the way the staff and ticket system is working?

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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 08:11 #95261
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The section signal onto the single line is not interlocked with the staff or ticket. So you can manage to get a train onto the single line even though the staff isn't at the right end.

As for the sim starting with the staff and ticket at the wrong end, that's a bit more of a difficult fix which I'm slowly working on in the background.

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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 08:14 #95262
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I had the same problem with 6c96, definitely a bug as in real life that would be considered a serious irregularity allowing a train to proceed with a ticket without being shown the staff. head on collision feasible as the staff could be issued to a train going the other way.

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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 09:45 #95267
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Not a bug - the signaller can clear the signal irrespective of where the staff and ticket are.

Drivers wouldn't enter the single line without them, but that won't stop the signal from clearing.

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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 09:57 #95268
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Stephen Fulcher in post 95267 said:
Not a bug - the signaller can clear the signal irrespective of where the staff and ticket are.

Drivers wouldn't enter the single line without them, but that won't stop the signal from clearing.
i agree that the signal clearing is not a bug, however i would say that the ticket being able to be accepted when the staff is at the other end of the single line is.

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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 13:54 #95272
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headshot119 in post 95261 said:
The section signal onto the single line is not interlocked with the staff or ticket. So you can manage to get a train onto the single line even though the staff isn't at the right end.

As for the sim starting with the staff and ticket at the wrong end, that's a bit more of a difficult fix which I'm slowly working on in the background.
Hmmm, sorry if I was unclear or I misunderstood you, but the sim didn't start with the staff and ticket at the wrong end. The problem I had was two trains booked to leave Cwmbargoed, one following the other. However the second train would not enter without the staff and ticket both at Cwmbargoed.

Anyway, thanks for all the effort you've clearly gone to with this Cardiff trio =)

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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 17:03 #95278
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For a clear understanding. Did you send the first train on the ticket ?
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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 17:28 #95279
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headshot119 in post 95278 said:
For a clear understanding. Did you send the first train on the ticket ?
Yes. 6C94 was authorised to proceed on the ticket, proceeded on the ticket, and returned the ticket to Ystrad Mynach South.

I then expected 6C95 to call up and enter, since the staff was still at Cwmbargoed. This didn't happen.

Until a train to Cwmbargoed (4C96) ran down to Cwmbargoed on the ticket (even though the staff was still at Cwmbargoed!) and deposited the ticket.

With both staff and ticket at Cwmbargoed 6C95 immediately called up and entered. I had it proceed on the staff and ticket :P



In other words, it seems that trains will only call up for permission to enter at Cwmbargoed when both staff and ticket are there, making it impossible for trains to follow each other from Cwmbargoed.

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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 17:46 #95280
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In which case I will launch an investigation.
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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 20:43 #95283
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Fixed in simulation 1.0.8 (Press check for updates)
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6C95 doesn't seem to want to enter at Cwmbargoed 21/05/2017 at 21:56 #95284
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headshot119 in post 95283 said:
Fixed in simulation 1.0.8 (Press check for updates)
Quick work, thanks! =)

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