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New sim - Peak District! 14/12/2017 at 23:56 #103954
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We snuck this one in before Newport ;)

Peak District is not a large sim but can be a busy sim. It features a mixture of NX panels and lever boxes with both absolute block working, Track circuit block working and also token working and features an intense metro style service on some lines, a rural service on others, followed by a cross country style service on others - all, of course, interspersed with freight trains to the numerous terminals requiring plenty of shunting. The simulation comes with 4 timetables: the first superb timetable is the busiest, written by Pascal Nadin (58050) and set in the 1980s with copious amounts of freights including banking moves; further to this are two 2009 (Groundhog day) timetables which are not quite so busy; and, lastly, a modern day 2017 one.

As usual, the sim is available by checking for updates in demo mode, and then you can purchase a license in the Shop.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 00:37 #103958
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Just to clarify something in Geoff's post. The timetable I wrote for Peak District is based on 1987 traffic flows not in the 1970s.
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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 03:44 #103967
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I spotted this just as I was about to go to bed after sorting out the carnage I wrought on Manchester Piccadilly in the morning peak (the half speed facility is a wonderful thing for the single player). Oh well, better open another bottle of beer. It could be a long night...
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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 11:14 #103987
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What a great sim, thanks to everyone involved in making it!

A small observation if I may, the UP/DN labeling on the block instruments between New Mills South and New Mills seems to be the wrong way around?

Also, I can't for the life of me cancel the Train on Line indication and return the block instruments to normal after conducting reversing moves from shunt signal PF28 into Peakstone CEMEX. I have cleared the PF 21 signal to get the train in behind the shunt signal in preparation for the reversing move, and given ToL as it enters the DN section between Peak Forest and Great Rocks. The train then does its thing and heads off into the siding. When I try to return the block to normal as per the manual I never seem to get the Block Override Release Given message so the instrument stays locked and cannot be released. Any suggestions?

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 12:26 #103991
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Sidestick Priority in post 103987 said:
What a great sim, thanks to everyone involved in making it!

A small observation if I may, the UP/DN labeling on the block instruments between New Mills South and New Mills seems to be the wrong way around?

Also, I can't for the life of me cancel the Train on Line indication and return the block instruments to normal after conducting reversing moves from shunt signal PF28 into Peakstone CEMEX. I have cleared the PF 21 signal to get the train in behind the shunt signal in preparation for the reversing move, and given ToL as it enters the DN section between Peak Forest and Great Rocks. The train then does its thing and heads off into the siding. When I try to return the block to normal as per the manual I never seem to get the Block Override Release Given message so the instrument stays locked and cannot be released. Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
SP
You beat me to it Sidestick, I've tried cancelling from both Train on Line and Line Clear but it refuses to cancel. Otherwise, great sim so far.

Phil.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 13:13 #103999
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Very much enjoying the new sim, although not good for work productivity!

I have encountered a few issues, all of which may be user error!:
1. Trains between Great Rocks and Buxton are phoning in to say they have returned the token, after which they seem to disappear.
2. I've managed to get the Up Block Instrument between Edale and Earles Sidings to show both Train On Line and Normal simultaneously.
3. I don't seem to be able to restore the Down Block Instrument between Peak Forest and Great Rocks to Normal, even though there is no train in the area.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 13:36 #104004
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WesternChampion in post 103999 said:
2. I've managed to get the Up Block Instrument between Edale and Earles Sidings to show both Train On Line and Normal simultaneously.
That should definitely be impossible. IRL the instrument is a needle indicator which can only point in one direction at a time.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 13:52 #104006
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WesternChampion in post 103999 said:
Very much enjoying the new sim, although not good for work productivity!

I have encountered a few issues, all of which may be user error!:
1. Trains between Great Rocks and Buxton are phoning in to say they have returned the token, after which they seem to disappear.
2. I've managed to get the Up Block Instrument between Edale and Earles Sidings to show both Train On Line and Normal simultaneously.
3. I don't seem to be able to restore the Down Block Instrument between Peak Forest and Great Rocks to Normal, even though there is no train in the area.

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1. The trains that have vanished have probably gone into Topley Pike. That's the siding between Great Rocks Jn and Buxton and it's the only place on that line where trains ring in to replace (or request) the token. Having said that there aren't any trains booked to do that, so I suspect a tt error. If the tt has "Topley Pike GF" in its timetable then it will go in there. Mantis 18833
Easy fix : If the train is booked to run Buxton-Great Rocks (and vv) just delete "Topley Pike GF" from the timetable data.

2 & 3. Mantis 18834 for the block instruments.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 13:59 #104007
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Sidestick Priority in post 103987 said:
What a great sim, thanks to everyone involved in making it!

A small observation if I may, the UP/DN labeling on the block instruments between New Mills South and New Mills seems to be the wrong way around?

Also, I can't for the life of me cancel the Train on Line indication and return the block instruments to normal after conducting reversing moves from shunt signal PF28 into Peakstone CEMEX. I have cleared the PF 21 signal to get the train in behind the shunt signal in preparation for the reversing move, and given ToL as it enters the DN section between Peak Forest and Great Rocks. The train then does its thing and heads off into the siding. When I try to return the block to normal as per the manual I never seem to get the Block Override Release Given message so the instrument stays locked and cannot be released. Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
SP
You don't need to give TOL. Get a Line Clear if you need to clear PF21, and when the train has reversed cancel the route from PF21 and when it times out you can cancel the Line Clear with the Cancel button on the block instrument. Once the block is at TOL you can't cancel it until a train has passed through the section.

Kev

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 14:28 #104010
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KymriskaDraken in post 104007 said:
Sidestick Priority in post 103987 said:
What a great sim, thanks to everyone involved in making it!

A small observation if I may, the UP/DN labeling on the block instruments between New Mills South and New Mills seems to be the wrong way around?

Also, I can't for the life of me cancel the Train on Line indication and return the block instruments to normal after conducting reversing moves from shunt signal PF28 into Peakstone CEMEX. I have cleared the PF 21 signal to get the train in behind the shunt signal in preparation for the reversing move, and given ToL as it enters the DN section between Peak Forest and Great Rocks. The train then does its thing and heads off into the siding. When I try to return the block to normal as per the manual I never seem to get the Block Override Release Given message so the instrument stays locked and cannot be released. Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
SP
You don't need to give TOL. Get a Line Clear if you need to clear PF21, and when the train has reversed cancel the route from PF21 and when it times out you can cancel the Line Clear with the Cancel button on the block instrument. Once the block is at TOL you can't cancel it until a train has passed through the section.

Kev
Kev,

With route cancelled from PF21 signal, and no 'Block Override Release' message received, LC won't cancel. I've attached a save.

Regards,

Phil.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 14:33 #104011
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KymriskaDraken in post 104007 said:
Sidestick Priority in post 103987 said:
What a great sim, thanks to everyone involved in making it!

A small observation if I may, the UP/DN labeling on the block instruments between New Mills South and New Mills seems to be the wrong way around?

Also, I can't for the life of me cancel the Train on Line indication and return the block instruments to normal after conducting reversing moves from shunt signal PF28 into Peakstone CEMEX. I have cleared the PF 21 signal to get the train in behind the shunt signal in preparation for the reversing move, and given ToL as it enters the DN section between Peak Forest and Great Rocks. The train then does its thing and heads off into the siding. When I try to return the block to normal as per the manual I never seem to get the Block Override Release Given message so the instrument stays locked and cannot be released. Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
SP
You don't need to give TOL. Get a Line Clear if you need to clear PF21, and when the train has reversed cancel the route from PF21 and when it times out you can cancel the Line Clear with the Cancel button on the block instrument. Once the block is at TOL you can't cancel it until a train has passed through the section.

Kev
That isn't prototypical though.

If Shunt into Forward Section is authorised and there isn't a Subsidiary Arm (which there isn't in this case) then the Peak Forest Signaller should send Train Entering Section if the Section Signal has been cleared and the shunt move is going to enter the section. Once the move is completed then the Shunt Withdrawn bell signal would be sent.

In the event Shunt into Forward Section isn't authorised then the train would be offered, train entering section sent as per previous paragraph, and then cancelled when the shunt move has been withdrawn.

While I appreciate Absolute Block in SimSig is an element of compromise the Absolute Block link provided in the Peak Forest manual does state that it should be possible to initiate the cancel procedure if the Block has gone to Train on Line provided the route from the respective Section Signal has been cancelled.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 15:10 #104015
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Andrew G in post 104011 said:
KymriskaDraken in post 104007 said:
Sidestick Priority in post 103987 said:
What a great sim, thanks to everyone involved in making it!

A small observation if I may, the UP/DN labeling on the block instruments between New Mills South and New Mills seems to be the wrong way around?

Also, I can't for the life of me cancel the Train on Line indication and return the block instruments to normal after conducting reversing moves from shunt signal PF28 into Peakstone CEMEX. I have cleared the PF 21 signal to get the train in behind the shunt signal in preparation for the reversing move, and given ToL as it enters the DN section between Peak Forest and Great Rocks. The train then does its thing and heads off into the siding. When I try to return the block to normal as per the manual I never seem to get the Block Override Release Given message so the instrument stays locked and cannot be released. Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
SP
You don't need to give TOL. Get a Line Clear if you need to clear PF21, and when the train has reversed cancel the route from PF21 and when it times out you can cancel the Line Clear with the Cancel button on the block instrument. Once the block is at TOL you can't cancel it until a train has passed through the section.

Kev
That isn't prototypical though.

If Shunt into Forward Section is authorised and there isn't a Subsidiary Arm (which there isn't in this case) then the Peak Forest Signaller should send Train Entering Section if the Section Signal has been cleared and the shunt move is going to enter the section. Once the move is completed then the Shunt Withdrawn bell signal would be sent.

In the event Shunt into Forward Section isn't authorised then the train would be offered, train entering section sent as per previous paragraph, and then cancelled when the shunt move has been withdrawn.

While I appreciate Absolute Block in SimSig is an element of compromise the Absolute Block link provided in the Peak Forest manual does state that it should be possible to initiate the cancel procedure if the Block has gone to Train on Line provided the route from the respective Section Signal has been cancelled.
Yes, you are right. It is possible to cancel once TOL has been given. My mistake.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 15:23 #104016
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Phil-jmw in post 104010 said:
KymriskaDraken in post 104007 said:
Sidestick Priority in post 103987 said:
What a great sim, thanks to everyone involved in making it!

A small observation if I may, the UP/DN labeling on the block instruments between New Mills South and New Mills seems to be the wrong way around?

Also, I can't for the life of me cancel the Train on Line indication and return the block instruments to normal after conducting reversing moves from shunt signal PF28 into Peakstone CEMEX. I have cleared the PF 21 signal to get the train in behind the shunt signal in preparation for the reversing move, and given ToL as it enters the DN section between Peak Forest and Great Rocks. The train then does its thing and heads off into the siding. When I try to return the block to normal as per the manual I never seem to get the Block Override Release Given message so the instrument stays locked and cannot be released. Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
SP
You don't need to give TOL. Get a Line Clear if you need to clear PF21, and when the train has reversed cancel the route from PF21 and when it times out you can cancel the Line Clear with the Cancel button on the block instrument. Once the block is at TOL you can't cancel it until a train has passed through the section.

Kev
Kev,

With route cancelled from PF21 signal, and no 'Block Override Release' message received, LC won't cancel. I've attached a save.

Regards,

Phil.
Not sure what's happened there. I can get an over-ride on a test sim, but not on your save. Mantis 18847.

Kev

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 15:47 #104017
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KymriskaDraken in post 104007 said:
Sidestick Priority in post 103987 said:
What a great sim, thanks to everyone involved in making it!

A small observation if I may, the UP/DN labeling on the block instruments between New Mills South and New Mills seems to be the wrong way around?

Also, I can't for the life of me cancel the Train on Line indication and return the block instruments to normal after conducting reversing moves from shunt signal PF28 into Peakstone CEMEX. I have cleared the PF 21 signal to get the train in behind the shunt signal in preparation for the reversing move, and given ToL as it enters the DN section between Peak Forest and Great Rocks. The train then does its thing and heads off into the siding. When I try to return the block to normal as per the manual I never seem to get the Block Override Release Given message so the instrument stays locked and cannot be released. Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
SP
You don't need to give TOL. Get a Line Clear if you need to clear PF21, and when the train has reversed cancel the route from PF21 and when it times out you can cancel the Line Clear with the Cancel button on the block instrument. Once the block is at TOL you can't cancel it until a train has passed through the section.

Kev
Is that correct though? I would have thought welwyn would be provided to cancel trains off? You should be able to.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 16:07 #104019
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I don't seem to be able to get a route from New Mills South Sig 24 onto the Down Romiley, either to New Mills Sig 3 or the Triangle. If this is not a valid route, is there any other way for 5S05 in the 2009 timetable to reverse at New Mills South Junction, without having to "Pass Signal at Danger"?

NB I am playing in TCB mode at the moment.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 16:50 #104024
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WesternChampion in post 104019 said:
I don't seem to be able to get a route from New Mills South Sig 24 onto the Down Romiley, either to New Mills Sig 3 or the Triangle. If this is not a valid route, is there any other way for 5S05 in the 2009 timetable to reverse at New Mills South Junction, without having to "Pass Signal at Danger"?

NB I am playing in TCB mode at the moment.

Chris
Route missing. Mantis 18843.

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 17:10 #104031
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KymriskaDraken in post 104006 said:
WesternChampion in post 103999 said:

2. I've managed to get the Up Block Instrument between Edale and Earles Sidings to show both Train On Line and Normal simultaneously.
3. I don't seem to be able to restore the Down Block Instrument between Peak Forest and Great Rocks to Normal, even though there is no train in the area.

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Chris
2 & 3. Mantis 18834 for the block instruments.

Kev
An addition for 18834 (if at all helpful) - it's also possible for Great Rocks to give a second line clear with the block still showing TOL following the bug in #2.

On a sillier note, it's also possible to get the CAN light lit at the same time (no, you still can't undo either the LC or TOL!) - now the challenge is for someone to get the instrument's Normal light lit to complete the set of four!

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 17:12 #104032
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When clearing the Up line signals at Edale EE19 Up Home and EE17 Up Section signal remain at Danger after routes have been set until EE16 is cleared, but EE16 is an IB Home signal, so it should be possible to clear EE19 and EE17 with EE16 still at Danger otherwise the IB section is of no use.
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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 17:17 #104035
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...and following Phil's comment, the symbol for EE16 is therefore wrong, as it is a colour light.
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Danny252 in post 104035 said:
...and following Phil's comment, the symbol for EE16 is therefore wrong, as it is a colour light.
Mantis 18831 for the colour light.

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Phil-jmw in post 104032 said:
When clearing the Up line signals at Edale EE19 Up Home and EE17 Up Section signal remain at Danger after routes have been set until EE16 is cleared, but EE16 is an IB Home signal, so it should be possible to clear EE19 and EE17 with EE16 still at Danger otherwise the IB section is of no use.
I reported this during testing but the developer said it was correct. Raised on mantis again by another user (18850).

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New sim - Peak District! 15/12/2017 at 17:43 #104042
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Excellent simulation, I look forward to purchasing!

One issue- what's the logic behind the layout drawing at Hazel Grove? In reality, the Northenden line passes over the Buxton lines in the vicinity of HG23/HG24. It doesn't pass over the Hazel Grove- High Level Jn single line.

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KymriskaDraken in post 104040 said:
Phil-jmw in post 104032 said:
When clearing the Up line signals at Edale EE19 Up Home and EE17 Up Section signal remain at Danger after routes have been set until EE16 is cleared, but EE16 is an IB Home signal, so it should be possible to clear EE19 and EE17 with EE16 still at Danger otherwise the IB section is of no use.
I reported this during testing but the developer said it was correct. Raised on mantis again by another user (18850).

Kev
The very first photo Google pulls up shows 20/19/17 reversed with 16 normal: https://www.flickr.com/photos/43709405@N07/16773482163

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Danny252 in post 104043 said:
KymriskaDraken in post 104040 said:
Phil-jmw in post 104032 said:
When clearing the Up line signals at Edale EE19 Up Home and EE17 Up Section signal remain at Danger after routes have been set until EE16 is cleared, but EE16 is an IB Home signal, so it should be possible to clear EE19 and EE17 with EE16 still at Danger otherwise the IB section is of no use.
I reported this during testing but the developer said it was correct. Raised on mantis again by another user (18850).

Kev
The very first photo Google pulls up shows 20/19/17 reversed with 16 normal: https://www.flickr.com/photos/43709405@N07/16773482163
Surely you shouldn't get the distant until the section signal is cleared?!

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Ar88 in post 104044 said:
Danny252 in post 104043 said:
KymriskaDraken in post 104040 said:
Phil-jmw in post 104032 said:
When clearing the Up line signals at Edale EE19 Up Home and EE17 Up Section signal remain at Danger after routes have been set until EE16 is cleared, but EE16 is an IB Home signal, so it should be possible to clear EE19 and EE17 with EE16 still at Danger otherwise the IB section is of no use.
I reported this during testing but the developer said it was correct. Raised on mantis again by another user (18850).

Kev
The very first photo Google pulls up shows 20/19/17 reversed with 16 normal: https://www.flickr.com/photos/43709405@N07/16773482163
Surely you shouldn't get the distant until the section signal is cleared?!
Not if the section signal is an Intermediate Block signal that, by definition, has its own repeater- which is the case here.

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