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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 24/08/2018 at 15:01 #111452
DavidSplett
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Would it be possible to look at doing a few updates to both these sims in order to allow up-to-date timetables to fully work? I've written 2018 timetables for both and have had to do a few bodges in places, which only just about work - and in places cause clashes which wouldn't exist with the correct layout.

Areas of interest are:
KX:
1) Hertford North - facing crossover from down to up just south of station. It would also be good to see the ETCS area between Hertford and Stevenage simulated, although this isn't necessary to make the timetable work, but the old Simsig layout does produce a major capacity bottleneck during diverts.
2) Alexandra Palace - ability to route trains out of north end of Hornsey to Alexandra Palace down platforms. The ability is in fact there on the sim, however the timetable editor rejects it as an invalid route which means such trains fail to enter.
3) The up-to-date layout at Copenhagen Junction where the Canal tunnels diverge.
4) Whilst not so critical to making the timetable work, would it also be possible to have a look at Letchworth Sidings reception road to put in a more realistic layout? My understanding is both south reception sidings are through routes, with ingoing services being called north by the shunter, and outgoing services telephoning the signaller for permission to pass a stop board.
5) 125mph running on the MML where applicable. Lack of this currently causes EMT services to lose a bit of time in places.

WH:
1) Bedford Jowett Sidings. Again this is more-or-less there by using Bedford Yard, but it throws up a traction discrepancy due to this route not being electrified.
2) Sundon Up Goods Loop - lack of this loop is a headache as it throws out up freight workings.
3) Cricklewood South Sidings - the layout here appears to have completely changed, and with many Thameslink & EMT workings starting and finishing here it has been difficult to bodge this without throwing up conflicts.
4) Canal Tunnels at St Pancras and resignalling through the core, although this isn't so important as it's easy to omit the GN services off West Hampstead without spoiling the sim.

Many thanks for taking the time to read this.

Last edited: 24/08/2018 at 15:03 by DavidSplett
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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 24/08/2018 at 16:24 #111458
GeoffM
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I have no plans currently. WH actually has a few more changes - West Hampstead station itself; 125mph running in parts - two changes off the top of my head.
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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 10/11/2018 at 01:49 #113218
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I’ll be honest I have to agree. I appreciate it would mean more work but getting some form of VSE / WH / KX update just to be able to do a ‘what’s it like after Thameslink’ would be really good. There’s also an exit out of Hornsey onto US2 half way along it; and making Blackfriars look and behave as it should now would be a huge bonus (even if under conventional signals).
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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 18/04/2020 at 11:18 #125980
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Hi!
A little repost of this thread in 2018. I wonder if there are any plans of updating the sim to the new layout with platform bay at Stevenage.
Many thanks in advance.

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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 18/04/2020 at 12:55 #125983
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telocband in post 125980 said:
Hi!
A little repost of this thread in 2018. I wonder if there are any plans of updating the sim to the new layout with platform bay at Stevenage.
Many thanks in advance.
Believe the main issue currently is that it will need several new eras as there are a lot of changes being made at the current time, and to make the sims the developers need a lot of information about track circuit lengths, signal placements etc. If you have a source for this information it will be a huge help, unfortunatley, without the information the sims can't be updated...

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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 18/04/2020 at 13:14 #125984
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Trainfan344 in post 125983 said:
telocband in post 125980 said:
Hi!
A little repost of this thread in 2018. I wonder if there are any plans of updating the sim to the new layout with platform bay at Stevenage.
Many thanks in advance.
Believe the main issue currently is that it will need several new eras as there are a lot of changes being made at the current time, and to make the sims the developers need a lot of information about track circuit lengths, signal placements etc. If you have a source for this information it will be a huge help, unfortunatley, without the information the sims can't be updated...
Surely simpler changes are worth consideration when a timetable writer has specifically identified simpler changes such as setting a line to 'ACOHLE' and adding a route ?

While doing layout changes are clearly impossible without full data, where major change is known not to be 'in the pipe' such small changes could be readied for any 'x.1' level bug fix.

Bill

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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 18/04/2020 at 14:20 #125988
JamesN
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Probably not the place for that kind of discussion.
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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 18/04/2020 at 14:51 #125989
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A "2019 era" would cover a substantial slice of recent history. I suspect the next era after that would have to be once the KX remodelling is complete. Perhaps with a "2020 era" with everything else remaining the same apart from the inclusion of Stevenage platform 5.

Things which are necessary to make today's timetables work are:
1) Hertford North to Stevenage resignalling and additional crossovers
2) Country end access to/from Hornsey Depot
3) Canal Tunnels
4) Stevenage Platform 5

A nice-to-have would also be some tweaks to the reception roads for Letchworth sidings, as the current simulation isn't fully prototypical. I'm not sure if this has changed over the years on the ground, however both reception roads are now used for both reversing and depot access.

As an aside, I'd *love* an updated Cambridge sim too in order to be able to run a Thameslink-era timetable on it!

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King's Cross and West Hampstead updates 18/04/2020 at 15:13 #125990
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DavidSplett in post 125989 said:
A "2019 era" would cover a substantial slice of recent history. I suspect the next era after that would have to be once the KX remodelling is complete. Perhaps with a "2020 era" with everything else remaining the same apart from the inclusion of Stevenage platform 5.

Things which are necessary to make today's timetables work are:
1) Hertford North to Stevenage resignalling and additional crossovers
2) Country end access to/from Hornsey Depot
3) Canal Tunnels
4) Stevenage Platform 5

A nice-to-have would also be some tweaks to the reception roads for Letchworth sidings, as the current simulation isn't fully prototypical. I'm not sure if this has changed over the years on the ground, however both reception roads are now used for both reversing and depot access.

As an aside, I'd *love* an updated Cambridge sim too in order to be able to run a Thameslink-era timetable on it!

I hope not only for an updated KGX but also an updated Cambridge. Latter would probably have to be in two parts due to the addition in recent years of Cambridge North.

Dave

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