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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 11:35 #119613
clive
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2737 posts 		My boss has just asked me a question about the train he caught last night.

It was an EMU from Ely to Cambridge. It departed at about 22:15 from platform 2 and terminated at Cambridge, in platform 5. He says it was a Great Northern train but couldn't tell me the type. But he's certain it was an EMU. Platform 5 would be unusual for that.

There's no such train on Realtime Trains or Open Train Times. It's not 1K95, which he says he saw on platform 3. It sounds like 1T69, except that's shown as planned cancelled throughout.

So does anyone have any ideas?
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 12:24 #119614
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Online 		Possibly http://www.charlwoodhouse.co.uk/rail/liverail/train/16124577/25/07/19 - looks like it may have been formed by one of the Stadler units

But then there was that much disruption with the heat it have been almost anything
Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 12:28 #119615
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1461 posts 		1K95 managed to lose 7 minutes between Ely and Cambridge, which does suggest it was losing time behind something else. Does he know if his train left before 1K95?

If only OTT's maps had a "rewind" function! Even on a good day, a good proportion of the passenger running about aren't known to OTT - shown in yellow and without a link.
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 13:44 #119618
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2737 posts 		Danny252 in post 119615 said:
1K95 managed to lose 7 minutes between Ely and Cambridge, which does suggest it was losing time behind something else. Does he know if his train left before 1K95?
Yes, it did.
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 15:26 #119629
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1574 posts 		With very significant disruption as experienced the past few days on the East Coast; open data feeds and even internal industry systems aren't great at keeping up with what did or did not run. TDA (delay attributors) may have cancelled the train throughout; but it infact ran as far as Cambridge as your colleague experienced. Or it could have been a completely ad-hoc move with displaced stock and crew.
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 15:35 #119632
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3920 posts 		Meld in post 119614 said:
Possibly http://www.charlwoodhouse.co.uk/rail/liverail/train/16124577/25/07/19 - looks like it may have been formed by one of the Stadler units

But then there was that much disruption with the heat it have been almost anything
Have the 755s entered service yet?
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 15:38 #119633
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Online 		Steamer in post 119632 said:


Have the 755s entered service yet?
I thought they had started on the Wherry lines this week or are imminent
Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 16:05 #119635
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192 posts 		Not yet for the Stadlers class 37s still soldiering on

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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 16:11 #119636
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6280 posts 		Danny252 in post 119615 said:
1K95 managed to lose 7 minutes between Ely and Cambridge, which does suggest it was losing time behind something else. Does he know if his train left before 1K95?

If only OTT's maps had a "rewind" function! Even on a good day, a good proportion of the passenger running about aren't known to OTT - shown in yellow and without a link.
It knows about them (just look up the schedule) but the linking from a TD in a berth to an appropriate schedule is the issue Peter has, from what he's told me.
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 16:19 #119638
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3920 posts 		GeoffM in post 119636 said:
Danny252 in post 119615 said:
1K95 managed to lose 7 minutes between Ely and Cambridge, which does suggest it was losing time behind something else. Does he know if his train left before 1K95?

If only OTT's maps had a "rewind" function! Even on a good day, a good proportion of the passenger running about aren't known to OTT - shown in yellow and without a link.
It knows about them (just look up the schedule) but the linking from a TD in a berth to an appropriate schedule is the issue Peter has, from what he's told me.
Thinking about it, it's quite remarkable that the railway's own systems (TRUST?) manage to match train descriptions to schedules pretty much perfectly to generate running information. Presumably those systems have a list of TD berths associated with a given location?
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 18:10 #119642
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11 posts 		I have replayed what happened from the TD feed, the train was 1G69, a reinstated version of 1T69 from Kings Lynn to Cambridge (terminating in platform 6 rather than 5). This train never made its way into TRUST or Darwin.
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Ghost train? 26/07/2019 at 20:35 #119652
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2737 posts 		Shwam3 in post 119642 said:
I have replayed what happened from the TD feed, the train was 1G69, a reinstated version of 1T69 from Kings Lynn to Cambridge (terminating in platform 6 rather than 5). This train never made its way into TRUST or Darwin.
Thank you very very much.
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