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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 22/04/2020 at 12:30 #126142
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A Busy Spring in South Yorkshire before the Virus Struck.
Northern are the main TOC in the area with services from Sheffield serving Manchester / Leeds /Huddersfield / Lincoln / Bridlington / Hull , as well as through services between Leeds & Nottingham.
TPE are evident with services connecting Manchester to Cleethorpes and Xc with Anglo Scottish services. EMR provide services on the Core route to STP.
Freight is equally split between FL & GBRF whilst DB still serve the Peak Forest Area.
New Stock is now being stored at Worksop and some of the associated working will encroach on the Sheffield "Patch". More traffic is now going into "Booths". A schedule exists in this Sim but will not validate. I have left it in for when this glitch is fixed.
A very busy start with some "ARS issues in the Masborough Area. Issue with the Up Stocksbridge, put a reminder on W218 in the up direction to stop it setting aroute 6J59 is going in the Down direction along the branch.
A few extras have been thrown in with a " Kettle" having to water at Barrow Hill and a BEEREX to Barrow Hill (I think I was on that !!!).
Please report any issues on the relevent thread and I will update.

Enjoy

Chris

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 22/04/2020 at 16:14 #126150
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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 22/04/2020 at 17:09 #126158
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chris - 4E68 should seed at S405 in order to change crew at Masbro SS jcn - it currently seeds at masbro junction instead.#

also none of the units seem to have dwell times for reversing. they ring out and move immediately when shunting round the station overnight.

"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 22/04/2020 at 18:06 #126161
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the NT class 170s all seem to be described as 4 car sets but set as 2 car sets. all the NT sets are 3 car units.

similarly TPE 185s are all described as 4 car however they are 3 car sets

"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 22/04/2020 at 20:21 #126163
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up trains at barrow hill north junction seem to have 241 selected as their line code, causing them to be routed by the UDG rather than the up main

5N01 has a, typo and its TD has a O rather than a 0.

"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 23/04/2020 at 11:48 #126199
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Cheers JC92 Thanks for the comments.
As for the units the TPE 185s are the right length the description is wrong I will correct.
I will go through the 170s.
Units shunting around the station the Northern diagrams give them 5 mins to move from Platform 8 to the Holding sidings!!!! I will go through them

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 23/04/2020 at 11:57 #126200
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Chris, regarding the dwell times the tt timings are fine, I meant the inbuilt dwell times within the train types.

Really enjoying it so far. I'm up to 04:45.

"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 5R04 25/04/2020 at 16:52 #126311
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Hi, enjoying this timetable. I have a query about 5R04. this enters from holding sidings then proceeds to U2B, which I assume is the same location as 2B va S80. There the display changes to 2R04 (away @ 06:05). the train list shows it as 5R04 (away @ 05:50 to S142). However 5S49 is due away from DSS at 04:33, so there appears to be a conflict here? Save attached.
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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 25/04/2020 at 17:22 #126312
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hotwellian in post 126311 said:
Hi, enjoying this timetable. I have a query about 5R04. this enters from holding sidings then proceeds to U2B, which I assume is the same location as 2B va S80. There the display changes to 2R04 (away @ 06:05). the train list shows it as 5R04 (away @ 05:50 to S142). However 5S49 is due away from DSS at 04:33, so there appears to be a conflict here? Save attached.
U2B is up siding 2 B end (you're right though it should be U2A as it clashes with stock that's already berthed in U2A).

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 25/04/2020 at 20:23 #126321
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Yes, I routed it into USS1 as USS2 was occupied by anoher train (5N01), I think.
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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 25/04/2020 at 21:55 #126325
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I've had two 6J03's enter, both are Immingham - tinsley workings.

UID H45660 and H45662. do they need alternate rules or a decision.

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 25/04/2020 at 23:44 #126327
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Just to echo JC92's point that 5N01 and 5R04 clash in USS2.

A couple of other things - 6E15 and 6X14 need a rule as they are on the same path

See attached save - standoff in Sheffield P1.
5R00 fouls the points between the sidings and 101 (too long for 1A?) which is an issue as 1B61 is booked via Dore. 2R00/2R02 can't go anywhere as both booked via Nunnery Jn.

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 26/04/2020 at 00:06 #126329
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There's a lot of trains into 1A that foul the south end where they don't clear so far.

Standage realistically is 3 vehicles. 4 at a push but northern don't like that.

I think some of the ECS needs splitting into 2 workings.

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 26/04/2020 at 13:11 #126333
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Thanks Guys
A lot of these issues have / are being rectified as the list grows. Infact I think I have one left to do in the list below. A lot of the ECS moves have been tweaked / amended. An update will be uploaded when done.
In the meantime Enjoy. It is easier for more than one person to go through the timetable than just one . Thanks Again

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 26/04/2020 at 13:35 #126335
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jc92 in post 126158 said:
chris - 4E68 should seed at S405 in order to change crew at Masbro SS jcn - it currently seeds at masbro junction instead.#

also none of the units seem to have dwell times for reversing. they ring out and move immediately when shunting round the station overnight.
Never underestimate the time it takes a driver to complete their last bit!

(See also, Stockport, where reversals in the platforms or on the viaduct are often timed for up to 5 minutes - but with a single unit, or a driver at each end when shunting multiple non-gangwayed units, it takes much less time).

There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 26/05/2020 at 22:46 #127154
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Chrisrail in post 126333 said:
Thanks Guys
A lot of these issues have / are being rectified as the list grows. Infact I think I have one left to do in the list below. A lot of the ECS moves have been tweaked / amended. An update will be uploaded when done.
In the meantime Enjoy. It is easier for more than one person to go through the timetable than just one . Thanks Again
Hi,

Just wondered how the update was coming along. Didn't want to go with the initial release with the above issues if the update was close by.



Cheers

Dave.

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 28/05/2020 at 19:45 #127196
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Give me a week or so and it will be released. I am currently rather busy and not just with SimSig

If you PM me with your email address I am more than happy for you to test it. More pairs of eyes the better

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 06/06/2020 at 12:40 #127379
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Having an issue at present with 5N05 & 2N00 which join in platform 5.

5N05 enters platform 5B ok but when 2N00 enters platform 5 there isn't enough room and the train extends out of platform 5 over the pointwork. I'm then having issues being able to allow the resulting 2N05 to leave the station as it just says the points are set against the train. I've tried telling 5N05 to shunt forward when it first arrives in the platform but it makes no difference.

Am i missing something?


***EDIT***

Now sorted.... Manually set the points / crossover at the entrance to platforms 3 & 4 to allow 2N05 to leave the station.

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 06/06/2020 at 16:23 #127380
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Something i've just found i have 7M19 come in from Doncaster and then shortly afterwards 7X19 also from Doncaster. Upon checking the timetables they are both exactly the same and are both also the same consist (Class 66 & 6 NRSC, What are NRSC?).


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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 07/06/2020 at 14:19 #127395
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0Z89 09:58 BH to TO out of Barrow Hill Roundhouse (Class 60 + 90) is routed Barrow Hill Goods Loop, then Barrow Hill South Jcn, Barrow Hill North Jcn and Tapton Jcn.

Shouldn't this be BH Goods loop to BH North Jcn to BH South Jcn to Tapton with the train reversing at 1002 and then 249/1020? As it is the train gets to 1004 at which point i have to tell it to reverse manually. It then gets as far as approx 245 before automatically reversing again and asking for authority before going back to 1004 again.

I had to resort to removing the service as at this point i had 6E42 arriving from Tapton Jcn.

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 07/06/2020 at 14:29 #127396
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WaveyDavey in post 127395 said:
I had to resort to removing the service as at this point i had 6E42 arriving from Tapton Jcn.
This doesn't answer your query but more generally through F2 you can abandon the TT for 0Z89 and route it manually, changing direction as appropriate again through F2 then finally reinstating the TT (another F2 option - Run to another timetable) when you get things where you need them to be so no need to use the Hand of God.

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 07/06/2020 at 14:58 #127397
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WaveyDavey in post 127395 said:
0Z89 09:58 BH to TO out of Barrow Hill Roundhouse (Class 60 + 90) is routed Barrow Hill Goods Loop, then Barrow Hill South Jcn, Barrow Hill North Jcn and Tapton Jcn.

Shouldn't this be BH Goods loop to BH North Jcn to BH South Jcn to Tapton with the train reversing at 1002 and then 249/1020? As it is the train gets to 1004 at which point i have to tell it to reverse manually. It then gets as far as approx 245 before automatically reversing again and asking for authority before going back to 1004 again.

I had to resort to removing the service as at this point i had 6E42 arriving from Tapton Jcn.
David I know the move like the back of my hand but I have and always have done, when doing a timetable, is do it as it is presented. I do not have enough bodily digits to list all of the planning "faux pas" that regularly take place, but the signaller has to deal with it, so I leave it be

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 07/06/2020 at 18:00 #127402
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Chrisrail in post 127397 said:
WaveyDavey in post 127395 said:
0Z89 09:58 BH to TO out of Barrow Hill Roundhouse (Class 60 + 90) is routed Barrow Hill Goods Loop, then Barrow Hill South Jcn, Barrow Hill North Jcn and Tapton Jcn.

Shouldn't this be BH Goods loop to BH North Jcn to BH South Jcn to Tapton with the train reversing at 1002 and then 249/1020? As it is the train gets to 1004 at which point i have to tell it to reverse manually. It then gets as far as approx 245 before automatically reversing again and asking for authority before going back to 1004 again.

I had to resort to removing the service as at this point i had 6E42 arriving from Tapton Jcn.
David I know the move like the back of my hand but I have and always have done, when doing a timetable, is do it as it is presented. I do not have enough bodily digits to list all of the planning "faux pas" that regularly take place, but the signaller has to deal with it, so I leave it be

So what is the correct routing of this move as 0Z89 just comes to a halt at 1004 signal. If left as the timetable says what is the path from BH South Jcn to North Jcn as it either stays at 1004 or if i manually reverse it it just moves one signal section to midway between the two locations and stops and reverses back again.

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 08/06/2020 at 07:49 #127407
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WaveyDavey in post 127402 said:
Chrisrail in post 127397 said:
WaveyDavey in post 127395 said:
0Z89 09:58 BH to TO out of Barrow Hill Roundhouse (Class 60 + 90) is routed Barrow Hill Goods Loop, then Barrow Hill South Jcn, Barrow Hill North Jcn and Tapton Jcn.

Shouldn't this be BH Goods loop to BH North Jcn to BH South Jcn to Tapton with the train reversing at 1002 and then 249/1020? As it is the train gets to 1004 at which point i have to tell it to reverse manually. It then gets as far as approx 245 before automatically reversing again and asking for authority before going back to 1004 again.

I had to resort to removing the service as at this point i had 6E42 arriving from Tapton Jcn.
David I know the move like the back of my hand but I have and always have done, when doing a timetable, is do it as it is presented. I do not have enough bodily digits to list all of the planning "faux pas" that regularly take place, but the signaller has to deal with it, so I leave it be

So what is the correct routing of this move as 0Z89 just comes to a halt at 1004 signal. If left as the timetable says what is the path from BH South Jcn to North Jcn as it either stays at 1004 or if i manually reverse it it just moves one signal section to midway between the two locations and stops and reverses back again.
Morning David

I will have a look later when I get back from work
In reality 0Z89 would come out of Barrow Hill PR from 1008/1009 back to North Jn and the RM onwards to Tapton / Chesterfield and Toton. Timings attached. Maybe RM at 1004 and back upto North Jn

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Chris

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SHEFFIELD SPRING 2020 PLUS 08/06/2020 at 14:27 #127415
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Yes that's what i figured it should do. It just needs it's timetable changing to that from what it currently is.


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