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Hertiage rail sims 24/05/2020 at 16:28 #127076
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Hi would it be posiable to do a hertiage rail sim colection so a what if they hadnt become preseved i would love to but a cop of a simsig of the Severn Valley Railway
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Hertiage rail sims 31/08/2020 at 11:25 #131136
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Might have to check with the heritage railways they are happy - I know from the train (driving) sim scene that some railways were not willing to have their operations represented in a simulation.

Personally I would like to see the combined Ffestiniog and West Highland Railway operation, plenty of scope to put spanners in the works on a bad day!

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Hertiage rail sims 31/08/2020 at 13:23 #131139
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NorthernWarrior in post 131136 said:
I know from the train (driving) sim scene that some railways were not willing to have their operations represented in a simulation.
I can't see the point about that.

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Hertiage rail sims 31/08/2020 at 13:30 #131140
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sunocske in post 131139 said:
NorthernWarrior in post 131136 said:
I know from the train (driving) sim scene that some railways were not willing to have their operations represented in a simulation.
I can't see the point about that.
Could be financial - "you aren't going to make money from us/our name if you won't share it as we think fit".

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Hertiage rail sims 01/09/2020 at 03:01 #131160
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I seem to remember trying some -very- old shareware mechanical signalling sim featuring some SVR boxes.

But yes it would be fun to have something more than Llangollen - say, a sim of a hopefully-soon-to-be-reunified GCR/GCR(N) or similar.

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Hertiage rail sims 01/09/2020 at 10:11 #131168
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sunocske in post 131139 said:
NorthernWarrior in post 131136 said:
I know from the train (driving) sim scene that some railways were not willing to have their operations represented in a simulation.
I can't see the point about that.
The Severn Valley Railway agreed with one developer they could build their route for MSTS. I have heard the Bluebell and NYMR also have an issue with being simulated, which is why when I did the NYMR for Railworks some years back, I called it Heartbeat Moor. Probably to do with licensing and maybe they are worried being able to see the route at home will deter people from visiting.

That said, the West Somerset pops up everywhere so obviously they don’t have an issue, or don’t care!

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Heritage rail sims 01/09/2020 at 16:14 #131192
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I'm not entirely sure the heritage railways would have much legal say in the matter. There is a wealth of public information available and you can't prevent people using that.

Use of banners/logos/artwork that they designed themselves (as opposed to inherited/replicated from olden times) is a different matter and would fall under copyright rules.

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Heritage rail sims 01/09/2020 at 17:55 #131201
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I think the main thing about something being "licenced" or authorised is that it's essentially got the tick of approval and authenticity from the horses mouth, as opposed to something the author just says is accurate.
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Heritage rail sims 01/09/2020 at 18:03 #131203
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jc92 in post 131201 said:
I think the main thing about something being "licenced" or authorised is that it's essentially got the tick of approval and authenticity from the horses mouth, as opposed to something the author just says is accurate.
What I'm saying is, if you got an interlocking diagram through legitimate means (and I don't mean the heritage railway at this point), such as an FOI or a visit to the National Archives at Kew, then the heritage railway cannot have any legal objection to it being used.

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Heritage rail sims 01/09/2020 at 18:24 #131204
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GeoffM in post 131203 said:
jc92 in post 131201 said:
I think the main thing about something being "licenced" or authorised is that it's essentially got the tick of approval and authenticity from the horses mouth, as opposed to something the author just says is accurate.
What I'm saying is, if you got an interlocking diagram through legitimate means (and I don't mean the heritage railway at this point), such as an FOI or a visit to the National Archives at Kew, then the heritage railway cannot have any legal objection to it being used.
I agree and I'm not disputing that? My point, almost independently, is that an authorised/licenced/approved (call it what you want) simulation is a great selling point as the railway are essentially guaranteeing they've checked the product is accurate themselves.

I have routes for the NYMR and the GCR which are both produced independent of the railways themselves and it shows. the WSR and KWVR routes, which are both official, are very accurate.

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Heritage rail sims 01/09/2020 at 18:42 #131206
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jc92 in post 131204 said:
GeoffM in post 131203 said:
jc92 in post 131201 said:
I think the main thing about something being "licenced" or authorised is that it's essentially got the tick of approval and authenticity from the horses mouth, as opposed to something the author just says is accurate.
What I'm saying is, if you got an interlocking diagram through legitimate means (and I don't mean the heritage railway at this point), such as an FOI or a visit to the National Archives at Kew, then the heritage railway cannot have any legal objection to it being used.
I agree and I'm not disputing that? My point, almost independently, is that an authorised/licenced/approved (call it what you want) simulation is a great selling point as the railway are essentially guaranteeing they've checked the product is accurate themselves.

I have routes for the NYMR and the GCR which are both produced independent of the railways themselves and it shows. the WSR and KWVR routes, which are both official, are very accurate.
"Endorsed" might be the word you're looking for. But that doesn't need to come from the railway: the number of times I've cross checked people "in the know" against official documentation and found the people "in the know" to be not so much "in the know" at all is depressingly high. Not that I am ungrateful for their input: they're just human and sometimes assume or misremember.

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Heritage rail sims 03/09/2020 at 09:45 #131259
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NorthernWarrior in post 131168 said:
sunocske in post 131139 said:
NorthernWarrior in post 131136 said:
I know from the train (driving) sim scene that some railways were not willing to have their operations represented in a simulation.
I can't see the point about that.
The Severn Valley Railway agreed with one developer they could build their route for MSTS. I have heard the Bluebell and NYMR also have an issue with being simulated, which is why when I did the NYMR for Railworks some years back, I called it Heartbeat Moor. Probably to do with licensing and maybe they are worried being able to see the route at home will deter people from visiting.

That said, the West Somerset pops up everywhere so obviously they don’t have an issue, or don’t care!
You can also add the Nene Valley Railway to that too which recreated the route between Peterborough and Blisworth (Near Northampton) for MSTS.

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