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DCS 4 in 2000 era 12/08/2020 at 17:45 #130594
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Hi,

Is it possible to know the length of DCS4 in the above era? DCS 1, 2, 3 are mentioned in the manual but not 4.

Thanks.

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DCS 4 in 2000 era 18/08/2020 at 17:07 #130833
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DCS4 would be more properly known as the 'Loco Spur' or 'Headshunt', with the purpose of serving the former Loco Sidings at Oxford. It was roughly 40 metres in length, so sufficient to get a Tamper in/out of the former Loco Sidings.
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DCS 4 in 2000 era 18/08/2020 at 18:23 #130842
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From looking at the length in the sim, it looks like DCS4 has been simulated at the same length as DCS3 so a 205m train should fit
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DCS 4 in 2000 era 19/08/2020 at 05:35 #130850
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Certainly an error for the era concerned, otherwise there would be some worried residents in the flats adjacent!
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DCS 4 in 2000 era 19/08/2020 at 14:25 #130869
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wellgroomed in post 130850 said:
Certainly an error for the era concerned, otherwise there would be some worried residents in the flats adjacent!
Satellite imagery (Google Earth Historic images) from 2004 shows that on the down side of the main lines there was the Down Goods line, then 4 full length sidings that had connections at both ends to the Down Goods, then the Spur siding which with a reversal could be used to access the old loco sidings. I am presuming that hotwellian is referring to this 4th thru road (the furthest away from the main line) rather than the short spur (which incidentally has a 3car turbo sat in it in a 2007 image so must be at least 69m long as it is clear of the points to the loco siding)
In the 2009 era, DCS 1-3 had their country end connections back to the Down Pass Loop (ex Down goods) removed and DCS 4 was completely removed, and the spur siding remained in its place (this first stage of DCS reconfiguration is seen in image dated December 2012)

The flats you talk about did not exist in the 2000 era. Up to imagery dated June 2009, the land running longside the DCS was Greenland and allotments. Quick bit of online research shows that planning permission for the extension of the Castle Mill Flats (the extension is what runs alongside the down carriage sidings, the original section built in early 2000s are alongside where the loco sidings once were) was applied for in November 2011 and granted in Feburary 2012 (Paragraph 17 on Page 19 and the Foreword of this report into the application process)

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DCS 4 in 2000 era 19/08/2020 at 15:01 #130870
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Ah yes, I am clearly caught in a time warp. Good detective work, thank you!
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DCS 4 in 2000 era 19/08/2020 at 16:10 #130872
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y10g9 in post 130869 said:
wellgroomed in post 130850 said:
Certainly an error for the era concerned, otherwise there would be some worried residents in the flats adjacent!
Satellite imagery (Google Earth Historic images) from 2004 shows that on the down side of the main lines there was the Down Goods line, then 4 full length sidings that had connections at both ends to the Down Goods, then the Spur siding which with a reversal could be used to access the old loco sidings. I am presuming that hotwellian is referring to this 4th thru road (the furthest away from the main line) rather than the short spur (which incidentally has a 3car turbo sat in it in a 2007 image so must be at least 69m long as it is clear of the points to the loco siding)
In the 2009 era, DCS 1-3 had their country end connections back to the Down Pass Loop (ex Down goods) removed and DCS 4 was completely removed, and the spur siding remained in its place (this first stage of DCS reconfiguration is seen in image dated December 2012)

The flats you talk about did not exist in the 2000 era. Up to imagery dated June 2009, the land running longside the DCS was Greenland and allotments. Quick bit of online research shows that planning permission for the extension of the Castle Mill Flats (the extension is what runs alongside the down carriage sidings, the original section built in early 2000s are alongside where the loco sidings once were) was applied for in November 2011 and granted in Feburary 2012 (Paragraph 17 on Page 19 and the Foreword of this report into the application process)
Attached is my photo of the north end of the site, taken very early one morning in May or June 1980 from Walton Well Rd overbridge. The sidings far right were formerly for coal deliveries. The view has changed rather in the intervening 40 years.


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DCS 4 in 2000 era 19/08/2020 at 16:39 #130874
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whatlep in post 130872 said:
Attached is my photo of the north end of the site, taken very early one morning in May or June 1980 from Walton Well Rd overbridge. The sidings far right were formerly for coal deliveries. The view has changed rather in the intervening 40 years.

For comparison, Google Streetview

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DCS 4 in 2000 era 20/08/2020 at 22:44 #130906
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GeoffM in post 130874 said:
whatlep in post 130872 said:
Attached is my photo of the north end of the site, taken very early one morning in May or June 1980 from Walton Well Rd overbridge. The sidings far right were formerly for coal deliveries. The view has changed rather in the intervening 40 years.

For comparison, Google Streetview
Itself an historic view, taken during the period the Through Siding was being converted to the Down Jericho line. Tempus really does fugit.

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DCS 4 in 2000 era 21/08/2020 at 00:44 #130909
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whatlep in post 130872 said:


Attached is my photo of the north end of the site, taken very early one morning in May or June 1980 from Walton Well Rd overbridge. The sidings far right were formerly for coal deliveries. The view has changed rather in the intervening 40 years.

By coal delivery, do you mean loco coal ? That side was had no road access, just allotments to the river.
I'd assumed that line was the north access to loco shed (A.N.Other sim).
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/450345/206738/13/101329

Prior to that the area inclusing CS were down sidings that pre-dated Hinksey Yard:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/104195311

All Oxford coal went into Rewley Road over the swing bridge didn't it ?

Bill

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DCS 4 in 2000 era 25/08/2020 at 01:36 #131001
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bill_gensheet in post 130909 said:
whatlep in post 130872 said:


Attached is my photo of the north end of the site, taken very early one morning in May or June 1980 from Walton Well Rd overbridge. The sidings far right were formerly for coal deliveries. The view has changed rather in the intervening 40 years.
By coal delivery, do you mean loco coal ? That side was had no road access, just allotments to the river.
I'd assumed that line was the north access to loco shed (A.N.Other sim).
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/450345/206738/13/101329

Prior to that the area inclusing CS were down sidings that pre-dated Hinksey Yard:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/104195311

All Oxford coal went into Rewley Road over the swing bridge didn't it ?

Bill
Hi Bill - good question re the coal sidings! That's how they were described on the original plans for Oxford panel in 1973, by which time steam had been gone for some years. I'll confess I'd never thought about what coal was being described until your note. As you say, by the 1970s, the former Rewley Road station was a coal depot, so quite why the two sidings were described as coal sidings in Oxford PSB I am now baffled! My best guess it that they were a hangover from North yard, closed in 1945, and kept the name.

If anyone knows better, please do contribute.... Meanwhile attached as a PDF for fun are the "yellow perils" for Oxford PSB.

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