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Late 1980s timetable 08/11/2020 at 22:06 #133720
mjkerr
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I am now fairly confident in the Carisle operation, after just a few days
I have been using SimSig for many years, but it was the EXE file versions, and for some reason I had not included Carlisle

I noticed the timetables are either 1979/1980 or 2006
There is a configuration between the two, and that suits any timetable between 1984 and 2006

It might take me a while, and a little fictituous...
The outline plan is :
Just before Class 156 introduction / end of GSW loco haulage
Overlap with Class 90 introduction by InterCity

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Late 1980s timetable 09/11/2020 at 14:30 #133734
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If you are planning to use the existing 1979/1980 timetable as source material, please note that it is copyrighted and you cannot copy the timetable, in whole or in part, without permission from the timetable writers.


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Late 1980s timetable 09/11/2020 at 23:30 #133757
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Likewise using the Motherwell fringe from my timetables for 1984 & 1993.

However you only have to ask nicely..........

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Late 1980s timetable 20/12/2020 at 15:55 #134968
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Started from scratch
Winter 1986 (October 1986 to May 1987)

So far :

Loaded the 110mph WCML passenger services
All worked, although noted southbound services ran about 10 minutes early arrival into Carlisle

Loaded the 100mph WCML passenger services
Again, same issue as above with 10 minutes early arrival into Carlisle

Loaded the sleeper services
All set to 80mph
However even these ran 10 minutes (from Lockerbie) and 5 minutes (from Dumfries) early into Carlisle

No issues northbound
I was going to set the services to Heavy load, but that would then most likely delay northbound services instead
The solution appears to be to add 5 minutes from Dumfries and 10 minutes from Lockerbie and pass both stations instead (rather than stopping)

I have now run 00:00 to 05:00 three times
I had a few glitches, my fault for not assigning platforms at Carlisle as I thought you could leave them blank and decide at the time, but on the third attempt all ran correctly

I am handling the loco swaps and TRIP workings slightly differently
The Timetable Analysis tool does not seem to like it, but the workings do exactly what they are supposed to

I still only have the two 1600 x 900 screens
Plan is to add two more screens soon
I can then swap the two 1600 x 900 as peripheral views

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Late 1980s timetable 20/12/2020 at 16:11 #134971
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Which timings have you based them on? Overnight trains have quite a bit of give compared to day services in my WTTs for Carlisle. Might be worth comparing them to a daytime service and amending?

On a side note I was looking through my Carlisle 1987 station working book and it shows the loco hauled G&SW services arriving into 4 with the loco running round and shunting its train into the North bays, rather than being trapped on the stops.

"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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Late 1980s timetable 20/12/2020 at 16:44 #134978
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jc92 in post 134971 said:
Which timings have you based them on? Overnight trains have quite a bit of give compared to day services in my WTTs for Carlisle. Might be worth comparing them to a daytime service and amending?

WTT for this period
I started with the 110mph passenger services first
All of the southbounds arrived at Carlisle 10 minutes early
As above, I have added more and there is no difference
I then found the topic about the timing issue

I have finished testing 00:00 to 05:00
Two of the sleepers stack southbound as P4 is occupied

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Late 1980s timetable 20/12/2020 at 16:50 #134981
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jc92 in post 134971 said:
On a side note I was looking through my Carlisle 1987 station working book and it shows the loco hauled G&SW services arriving into 4 with the loco running round and shunting its train into the North bays, rather than being trapped on the stops

I visited the station 1986 to 1989
I only saw one run round for a GSW
All the others arrived in P7 (probably as the diagrams were designed for Class 156 but they did not happen for a further two years)
The loco was then sent to and then arrived from Kingmoor and the process repeated
In effect there was a spare loco
The WTT I have pretty much matches that, but I suspect it assume refueling is required
I remember on several occasions the loco was switched off and would sit for several hours, or would be moved to S1 or S2 and again switched off as it was not required for some time
I have simplified this by swapping between P7 and P8

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Late 1980s timetable 20/12/2020 at 19:53 #135000
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jc92 in post 134971 said:
On a side note I was looking through my Carlisle 1987 station working book and it shows the loco hauled G&SW services arriving into 4 with the loco running round and shunting its train into the North bays, rather than being trapped on the stops

Interesting this one
I have completed 00:00 to 05:00 and now started on 05:00 to (next glitch)

I have 5S90 from Upperby Yard into P1 which then becomes 1S90 Carlisle - Glasgow Central
P3 is vacant, and makes more sense
Not sure why P1 is used rather than P3
P4 is used by the next Carlisle - Euston, which overlaps at 05:39

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