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Warrington PSB FAQ 31/01/2021 at 18:36 #136921
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Is a position defined north of Wigan NW that would allow a loco to move from one platform to another using signal WN12 in a timetabled move? Thinking of loco changes diesel/electric as occurred for some years and also run-round manoeuvres. Apologies if I am missing the blindingly obvious.
Not that I can see, I've raised Mantis 32936 as a feature request.
I havent added it to mantis yet, but there's also no valid paths at WBQ to use the north reverse GPLs to facilitate loco changes in 3 and 4.
Mantis 32620 was raised and is marked as resolved. Might be worth checking the version available to testers and (de)escalating as appropriate.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 17/02/2021 at 01:16 #137306
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I routed an electric freight from Warrington BQ into Arpley Sidings as a test for a new timetable and received the message "4M38 has reached the end of electrification". This surprised me! At least as far back as 1990 and I think even when Warrington PSB ws opened, the three roads accessible directly in the Up direction were all electrified. Or am I missing something super-subtle in SimSig?
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Warrington PSB FAQ 17/02/2021 at 07:14 #137308
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whatlep in post 137306 said:
I routed an electric freight from Warrington BQ into Arpley Sidings as a test for a new timetable and received the message "4M38 has reached the end of electrification". This surprised me! At least as far back as 1990 and I think even when Warrington PSB ws opened, the three roads accessible directly in the Up direction were all electrified. Or am I missing something super-subtle in SimSig?
Mantis 33072 for investigation

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Warrington PSB FAQ 17/02/2021 at 08:56 #137309
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JamesN in post 137308 said:
whatlep in post 137306 said:
I routed an electric freight from Warrington BQ into Arpley Sidings as a test for a new timetable and received the message "4M38 has reached the end of electrification". This surprised me! At least as far back as 1990 and I think even when Warrington PSB ws opened, the three roads accessible directly in the Up direction were all electrified. Or am I missing something super-subtle in SimSig?
Mantis 33072 for investigation
Electrically-hauled freight certainly ran in & out of Arpley when I was in the Brent (1983 - 85).

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Warrington PSB FAQ 17/02/2021 at 09:17 #137311
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JamesN in post 137308 said:
whatlep in post 137306 said:
I routed an electric freight from Warrington BQ into Arpley Sidings as a test for a new timetable and received the message "4M38 has reached the end of electrification". This surprised me! At least as far back as 1990 and I think even when Warrington PSB ws opened, the three roads accessible directly in the Up direction were all electrified. Or am I missing something super-subtle in SimSig?
Mantis 33072 for investigation
32673 already raised and resolved for the next release

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Warrington PSB FAQ 27/02/2021 at 15:41 #137498
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I have an issue regarding Warrington RMT, Train 1M02 Shieldmuir - Warrington Royal Mail has arrived into Platform 1 via Platform 2 as its 240m (12/325) where it forms 1S02 back to Shieldmuir. Upon arrival I cancel Signal 137 [P2] but the overlap after Signal 138 [P1] locking Point Set (P805) won't clear. I tried to clear the overlap but still there is this a sim issue or an issue on my behalf. Would it also be best to add Platform 2A1 along with 1A2 to the timetable editor?



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Warrington PSB FAQ 27/02/2021 at 17:03 #137499
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HST125Scorton in post 137498 said:
I have an issue regarding Warrington RMT, Train 1M02 Shieldmuir - Warrington Royal Mail has arrived into Platform 1 via Platform 2 as its 240m (12/325) where it forms 1S02 back to Shieldmuir. Upon arrival I cancel Signal 137 [P2] but the overlap after Signal 138 [P1] locking Point Set (P805) won't clear. I tried to clear the overlap but still there is this a sim issue or an issue on my behalf

Logged as Mantis 0033210 and fixed.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 05/07/2021 at 19:23 #140369
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I have a handful of locos that run round its train at the RMT Terminal, So I edited the timetable to add both Warrington RMT Rev 166 & Warrington RMT Rev 173 but when validating it pops up Next Key Locations. Am I doing this wrong?

OS: Windows 10 Enterprise 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.16; Sim: Simulation Warrington PSB; data version 1.1
License: Dynamic license in use
TT: Warrington PSB Easter 2021 v1.0.0
TT filename: Warrington PSB Easter 2021.WTT
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: False
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: False
NTORR_ENABLED active at start
NTORR active at start
NERA active at start
NERA_NEW active at start
NPROBLEMS active at start
NNONE active at start
NNORMAL active at start
NARPLEY_RUNROUND choice 1
NACTON_WARRINGTON choice 2
NGOLBORNE_WINWICK choice 3
NSPRB_GOLBORNE choice 4
NWARRINGTON_WINWICK choice 5
NWARRINGTON_PLATFORM choice 6
NWIGAN_NW_PLATFORM choice 7
NPICK_RANDOM_1 choice 8
NPICK_RANDOM_2 choice 9
NPICK_RANDOM_3 choice 10


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Warrington PSB FAQ 05/07/2021 at 19:58 #140372
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HST125Scorton in post 140369 said:
I have a handful of locos that run round its train at the RMT Terminal, So I edited the timetable to add both Warrington RMT Rev 166 & Warrington RMT Rev 173 but when validating it pops up Next Key Locations. Am I doing this wrong?

Logged as 33956. Looks like I got all the other paths, just not this one

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Warrington PSB FAQ 07/07/2021 at 15:24 #140437
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Compliments to those involved in the recent update of WBQ. The addition of Garswood reversal facilities is much appreciated! One thing I'm still struggling with and it may be so blindingly obvious I'll be embarrassed. Simply, what's the sequence of locations required to schedule a train from Wigan North Western to Bickershaw Colliery?

Thanks in advance. A heritage (1977) timetable is in development....

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Warrington PSB FAQ 07/07/2021 at 16:26 #140440
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whatlep in post 140437 said:
Compliments to those involved in the recent update of WBQ. The addition of Garswood reversal facilities is much appreciated! One thing I'm still struggling with and it may be so blindingly obvious I'll be embarrassed. Simply, what's the sequence of locations required to schedule a train from Wigan North Western to Bickershaw Colliery?
Looks like it's missing. Ticket #33992 raised.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 07/07/2021 at 22:08 #140451
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pedroathome in post 140372 said:
HST125Scorton in post 140369 said:
I have a handful of locos that run round its train at the RMT Terminal, So I edited the timetable to add both Warrington RMT Rev 166 & Warrington RMT Rev 173 but when validating it pops up Next Key Locations. Am I doing this wrong?

[quote=whatlep;post=140437]Compliments to those involved in the recent update of WBQ. The addition of Garswood reversal facilities is much appreciated! One thing I'm still struggling with and it may be so blindingly obvious I'll be embarrassed. Simply, what's the sequence of locations required to schedule a train from Wigan North Western to Bickershaw Colliery?

Thanks in advance. A heritage (1977) timetable is in development....


Paths added for both of the above, and will be in an update.

I can't remember all timing points, but should be Springs Branch, followed by Bickershaw Collery. If it needs to be Springs Branch Junction as well, let me know and I'll adjust the path.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 20/10/2021 at 18:22 #141966
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A couple of things I've noticed:

The first is to do with trains routed via the Up Goods at Warrington Bank Quay in the 1972-2009 era.
At signal 174, you get the message shown next to 6M25 in the Warrington 6M25 F2 file that should be attached. I've also included the timetable for 6M25 at Warrington, so you can see what is intended. You do get an error message to say that the train is wrongly routed, I was intending to abandon the timetable for 6M25 and see if you could get round it that way but the train decided to start detaching the loco. I will add an edit when I know further.

The second point is following on from electric trains using Arpley Sidings as mentioned further up this topic, should this also apply to Walton Traffic Sidings for the 1972-2009era, if you try to route an AC loco-hauled train in or out you get a wrong traction message. I did try to find a photo, if you have Paul Shannon's Speedlink book the front cover and page 59 of the book illustrate this.



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Warrington PSB FAQ 20/10/2021 at 18:39 #141967
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cdoward in post 141966 said:

The first is to do with trains routed via the Up Goods at Warrington Bank Quay in the 1972-2009 era.
At signal 174, you get the message shown next to 6M25 in the Warrington 6M25 F2 file that should be attached. I've also included the timetable for 6M25 at Warrington, so you can see what is intended. You do get an error message to say that the train is wrongly routed, I was intending to abandon the timetable for 6M25 and see if you could get round it that way but the train decided to start detaching the loco. I will add an edit when I know further.
I assume this is a timetable you've written yourself, and not one that's supplied with the simulation?

The train needs 'Thru line stop' at Bank Quay ticked, or it'll want to use a platform line. It also appears to be flagged as a regulating stop, I'm not sure if this is advised if the train also has activities.

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The second point is following on from electric trains using Arpley Sidings as mentioned further up this topic, should this also apply to Walton Traffic Sidings for the 1972-2009era, if you try to route an AC loco-hauled train in or out you get a wrong traction message. I did try to find a photo, if you have Paul Shannon's Speedlink book the front cover and page 59 of the book illustrate this.
The traffic sidings aren't electrified; only the MSC sidings and Arpley Yard.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 20/10/2021 at 18:59 #141968
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Steamer in post 141967 said:
cdoward in post 141966 said:

The first is to do with trains routed via the Up Goods at Warrington Bank Quay in the 1972-2009 era.
At signal 174, you get the message shown next to 6M25 in the Warrington 6M25 F2 file that should be attached. I've also included the timetable for 6M25 at Warrington, so you can see what is intended. You do get an error message to say that the train is wrongly routed, I was intending to abandon the timetable for 6M25 and see if you could get round it that way but the train decided to start detaching the loco. I will add an edit when I know further.
I assume this is a timetable you've written yourself, and not one that's supplied with the simulation?

The train needs 'Thru line stop' at Bank Quay ticked, or it'll want to use a platform line. It also appears to be flagged as a regulating stop, I'm not sure if this is advised if the train also has activities.

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The second point is following on from electric trains using Arpley Sidings as mentioned further up this topic, should this also apply to Walton Traffic Sidings for the 1972-2009era, if you try to route an AC loco-hauled train in or out you get a wrong traction message. I did try to find a photo, if you have Paul Shannon's Speedlink book the front cover and page 59 of the book illustrate this.
The traffic sidings aren't electrified; only the MSC sidings and Arpley Yard.
Yes, it is a timetable I'm working on myself. I'd completely overlooked the through line stop at Warrington Bank Quay. THe train is booked to be regulated at Warrington Bak Quay in the WTT. I'll see what happens.

I've added the cover from Paul Shannon's Speedlink book from the internet. I presume the MGR's just visible to the left of the 90 are in the MSC Sdgs and that 90039 is in the Traffic Sidings or Walton Old Jn Sdgs (Quail/4: LMR 1990. Photo is dated 27 June 1991.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 20/10/2021 at 20:21 #141969
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cdoward in post 141968 said:

Yes, it is a timetable I'm working on myself. I'd completely overlooked the through line stop at Warrington Bank Quay. THe train is booked to be regulated at Warrington Bak Quay in the WTT. I'll see what happens.
In SimSig, if it's flagged as a regulating stop, the train will continue through if the signal is clear and won't stop. I'm not sure how the activities will interact with this- you might want to test it and make sure it behaves correctly if 195 is clear when the train arrives in the loop. To be safe, set it as a normal stop, the train might still ring for departure early anyway.

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I've added the cover from Paul Shannon's Speedlink book from the internet. I presume the MGR's just visible to the left of the 90 are in the MSC Sdgs and that 90039 is in the Traffic Sidings or Walton Old Jn Sdgs (Quail/4: LMR 1990. Photo is dated 27 June 1991.
I stand corrected; also dug up a clearer photo here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/71592768@N08/11821092434 Logged on Mantis, #34959

Do you know when the wires were removed, by any chance? A photo dated 2003 shows the yard without wires.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 21/10/2021 at 04:05 #141971
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Unfortunately I don't. I would presume mid to late 90's after the end of Speedlink.
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