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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 05/05/2022 at 17:07 #146391
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An autumn weekday based on a random day at Liverpool Lime Street and the surrounding areas.
Due to the complex of changes within Lime Street Approach Station, platform clashes are likely due to no Platform 10. Re-sginalling of the whole area excluding Ditton East Jn/Arpley Jn freight only lines makes things a little tricky, one area missing is Widnes Transport Tech Alstom although two trains were booked to use it was deemed unrealistic to send them via Foundry Ln so these have been removed.

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Any issues with the timetable please use here.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 09/05/2022 at 01:48 #146412
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Various freight operations would benefit from adjustments to the stopping position.

For example, run-round operations at Garston should have the light engine stop at the Near end of Church Road and Speke 63/68 locations, to reduce the dead time spent travelling back and forth while reversing direction. Quite a few 0Fxx and 0Mxx services need this specific adjustment.

Also a long train entering Ditton O'Connors via the Reception Sidings, such as 4M89, should stop at the Near end of the Reception Sidings. Without this, it will stop with the leading end at the far end of the siding but refuse to proceed towards the headshunt, which is necessary to bring the tail of the train clear of the main line and the points giving access to O'Connors.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 09/05/2022 at 19:14 #146422
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Many thanks for this, these are all sorted for the next version including a missing rule for one shunt move.
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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 10/05/2022 at 21:50 #146436
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One more problem cropped up: 6X43 goes into Garston Car Compound in two parts. However, after running the loco around and dropping what was the front half of the train, SimSig thinks the loco is attached to the front half, not the rear half that actually has a path to the compound. Since that also leaves the "unpowered" half of the train hanging over the end of the Down Goods (ironically the only vehicle foul is the locomotive), the job is effectively stopped for all Garston locations.



My suggestion here is to position the train at Far-Exact end of Garston Goods Lines, then have the unpowered stock perform the split into two halves while the loco run-round is in progress. This fits naturally with the shunter walking back along the train after uncoupling the loco, and splitting the stock on the way to the subsequent coupling operation.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 11/05/2022 at 20:41 #146458
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Many thanks for this, I have fixed this issue for the next version. Unknown why I left this must of been side tracked at time I was sorting them. Also I have retimed 6X41 to it's actual timings of around 5pm arrival.
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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 27/05/2022 at 21:30 #146650
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The Birmingham-Liverpool WMR trains all have 'passing' ticked on their timetable for Runcorn and Liverpool South Parkway.

Not sure why?

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 27/05/2022 at 21:36 #146651
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AlexH in post 146650 said:
The Birmingham-Liverpool WMR trains all have 'passing' ticked on their timetable for Runcorn and Liverpool South Parkway.

Not sure why?
These are fixed in the next version of the timetable which I'm nearly done on testing.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 27/05/2022 at 22:29 #146652
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This might not be a timetable question.

I have just platformed a Birmingham-Liverpool (2x class 350s) which in the F2 list is 264m. It just went into Platform 9 with no argument (and no overhang) which in the description box above the station display says 246m.

What magic is going on in Lime Street?

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 27/05/2022 at 22:43 #146653
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AlexH in post 146652 said:
This might not be a timetable question.

I have just platformed a Birmingham-Liverpool (2x class 350s) which in the F2 list is 264m. It just went into Platform 9 with no argument (and no overhang) which in the description box above the station display says 246m.

What magic is going on in Lime Street?
I'm glad you spotted this as I didn't!, 2x 350s are 164m in length, typo error when doing the train lists, now solved.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 28/05/2022 at 01:49 #146654
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AlexH in post 146652 said:
This might not be a timetable question.

I have just platformed a Birmingham-Liverpool (2x class 350s) which in the F2 list is 264m. It just went into Platform 9 with no argument (and no overhang) which in the description box above the station display says 246m.

What magic is going on in Lime Street?
This might be a difference between usable platform length as opposed to length from buffers to end of starter signal berth track circuit. Does the train correctly report stopping at Lime Street and change to its next working?

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 28/05/2022 at 02:00 #146655
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As noted above, it seems the train is actually shorter than its description claims. Since P9 (before the rebuild) could reliably accommodate an 11-car Pendolino set, it should logically have no difficulty with an 8-car Desiro.
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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 28/05/2022 at 04:58 #146657
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350s are 20ish metre coaches

I rather suspect 264 is a typo in the description for 164

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 28/05/2022 at 09:35 #146658
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I was thinking 264m seemed a bit excessive.

However, it does fit behind the signal on platform 9, and picks up its next working, despite being too long. I guess it overhangs the platform but not the signal.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 28/05/2022 at 10:30 #146659
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AlexH in post 146658 said:
I was thinking 264m seemed a bit excessive.

However, it does fit behind the signal on platform 9, and picks up its next working, despite being too long. I guess it overhangs the platform but not the signal.
2x350s are 164m in length, was a typo error when doing the train lists, this has now solved in the next version of the timetable due to be released next week.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 28/05/2022 at 19:24 #146668
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I tried to reply to different posts and none of it worked properly...

I understood your point on the length - it also took me quite a while to notice it was a bit high.

I was commenting to somebody else that it wasn't just the description, but the actual length. My query was on how the train - which thinks it is that long - could fit in platform 9.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 29/05/2022 at 11:55 #146672
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Trains in the 2C series seem to have Edge Hill 'Pass' ticked.
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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 29/05/2022 at 12:36 #146673
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AlexH in post 146672 said:
Trains in the 2C series seem to have Edge Hill 'Pass' ticked.
These are fixed in the next version of the timetable when sorting the 1F series Birmingham/Liverpool.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 06/06/2022 at 08:46 #146745
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Chromatix in post 146436 said:
One more problem cropped up: 6X43 goes into Garston Car Compound in two parts. However, after running the loco around and dropping what was the front half of the train, SimSig thinks the loco is attached to the front half, not the rear half that actually has a path to the compound. Since that also leaves the "unpowered" half of the train hanging over the end of the Down Goods (ironically the only vehicle foul is the locomotive), the job is effectively stopped for all Garston locations.



My suggestion here is to position the train at Far-Exact end of Garston Goods Lines, then have the unpowered stock perform the split into two halves while the loco run-round is in progress. This fits naturally with the shunter walking back along the train after uncoupling the loco, and splitting the stock on the way to the subsequent coupling operation.
Any clues on the joining back up for 6L47?? In my screenshot, they are both sat on the DG.
I've tried all sorts but they just sit there.... The earlier service (cant remember headcode) - I ended up just removing as there was all sorts going on elsewhere and kept fiddling but they just wont join. The ID's and UID's are correct but they just siting 'waiting'. Tried shunting, reversing... Nothing :(




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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 06/06/2022 at 11:36 #146747
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The sim could be getting confused as both portions of the train carry the same headcode; in older TTs they would have a suffix to make them distinct. If one of them is changed so they are distinct, the coupling operation should proceed normally.
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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 06/06/2022 at 11:54 #146748
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This issue and other car trains are fixed for the next update. Only advise I can give is to remove them trains for now. Although the trains carry the same headcode they are split by UID Code followed by A & B at the end. In other times I did use -1 & -2 after the UID Code. If that helps I can apply this.
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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 06/06/2022 at 12:22 #146749
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HST125Scorton in post 146748 said:
This issue and other car trains are fixed for the next update. Only advise I can give is to remove them trains for now. Although the trains carry the same headcode they are split by UID Code followed by A & B at the end. In other times I did use -1 & -2 after the UID Code. If that helps I can apply this.
The UIDs between the two portions are already unique, and I don't believe that's what is causing the issue with joining.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 06/06/2022 at 13:33 #146750
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304033 in post 146745 said:
Chromatix in post 146436 said:
One more problem cropped up: 6X43 goes into Garston Car Compound in two parts. However, after running the loco around and dropping what was the front half of the train, SimSig thinks the loco is attached to the front half, not the rear half that actually has a path to the compound. Since that also leaves the "unpowered" half of the train hanging over the end of the Down Goods (ironically the only vehicle foul is the locomotive), the job is effectively stopped for all Garston locations.



My suggestion here is to position the train at Far-Exact end of Garston Goods Lines, then have the unpowered stock perform the split into two halves while the loco run-round is in progress. This fits naturally with the shunter walking back along the train after uncoupling the loco, and splitting the stock on the way to the subsequent coupling operation.
Any clues on the joining back up for 6L47?? In my screenshot, they are both sat on the DG.
I've tried all sorts but they just sit there.... The earlier service (cant remember headcode) - I ended up just removing as there was all sorts going on elsewhere and kept fiddling but they just wont join. The ID's and UID's are correct but they just siting 'waiting'. Tried shunting, reversing... Nothing :(



Couple of points:

1) For others to help in trying to resolve the problem it is much easier to diagnose if you can post a saved game rather than screen grabs.
2) Have you checked the live TTs for both portions to make sure they are both listed at the joining location. If one is shown in the TT as at a location which is not the joining location the core code cannot carry out the join. The grab from the train list appears to show the same location for each but it would be belt-and-braces to check the actual TTs.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 06/06/2022 at 20:51 #146761
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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 15/06/2022 at 15:09 #146821
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Version 1.3 is now out

Fixing the following
Car Trains at Garston
1F** & 2C** pass tick at stations that they call at.

Any issues found please comment below with the version number.

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Edge Hill Autumn 2021 26/06/2022 at 05:10 #146977
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In v1.3, I had some trouble with 4L71. At 640m long, it appeared to just fit inside the Ditton Reception 3 signal but came up against the buffers at the front end, and was then unable to detach the pilot. It seems like it needs a few metres extra room to make that happen reliably.

Possible fixes:

1: Use NX position instead of N. This might permit the pilot loco to come off when the train is just inside the Reception Siding signal, rather than requiring it to be a few metres further on.

2: Use the Ditton headshunt (FX position) as the location for this manoeuvre instead of the Reception Sidings. This should look identical "on the ground", and has the benefit of having the pilot engine report starting from its actual location.

3: Use NX@-5 or similar position, so that the train engine hangs outside the Reception Siding signal and is controlled by DN826 instead. This may require some adjustment to timings so that, for example, 0L16 doesn't block the main line while waiting for 4L71 to get around to departing. (Or maybe route 0L16 via the opposite end of the yard, or a shunt move on the Low Level line, so that it can get clear before 4L71 starts.)

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