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Help Needed :: Tonbridge Entry timings 07/05/2022 at 16:50 #146396
DaveHarries
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Greetings,

I am still trying to get my TT for Sunday 08th May finished. At the time of writing this I have 883 trains written in - and have hit a snag.

On the day in question the services between Reigate and Tonbridge are running between Reigate and Edenbridge due to engineering works between Edenbridge and Tonbridge. The trains terminating at Edenbridge are then working wrong line back to Redhill to cross back over at either Godstone GF or Nutfield (not sure which).

However the only entry point I can use for those trains is Tonbridge. THe trip time from Tonbridge to Edenbridge is 14 minutes (or thereabouts) which means that trains from Edenbridge will have to enter sim probably before their previous working has left the area which, of course, makes no sense. As a result I can think of only two solutions to this:

1. Close the Redhill - Tonbridge route completely and drop all the 2Axx trains from the TT. This is probably the most obvious solution but is contrary to the scenario I am building this TT around (which involves 2 or 3 locations of engineering works in the sim area alone, never mind what is going on outside the TBASC area). Doing this would also give me a better chance of finishing the rest of the TT before the end of the day but I want to incorporate what I can here.

2. Revise the timings and put a rule in to regulate the entry which would be good but the turnaround time for trains terminating at Edenbridge does not exceed 10 minutes. This means that any attempt to make the trains run to time is going to be somewhat tricky if I run them to Tonbridge because Edenbridge to Tonnbridge is about 14 minutes running time.

An entry point for Edenbridge, rather than Tonbridge, would be great here but I don't have that. If you were building this TT, what would you do in a situation like this?

Advice will be very welcome.

Cheers,
Dave

Last edited: 07/05/2022 at 16:52 by DaveHarries
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Help Needed :: Tonbridge Entry timings 07/05/2022 at 17:02 #146397
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Would it be possible to delay or expedite the entry times as to simulate a proper 14 minute runtime? So essentially, the train enters early or late as an ECS (with a class 2 headcode) and then run as the WTT dictates.
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Help Needed :: Tonbridge Entry timings 07/05/2022 at 17:10 #146398
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I'd timetable them in from Tonbridge at a suitable time for them to pick up the return working from Edenbridge. Set the rules up so that the train appears X minutes after the inbound train arrives at Redhill (or another intermediate station) if the run time to Edenbridge exceeds the minimum turnaround time.

Remember that outbound trains will need to be timetabled through to Tonbridge or they won't fall off the sim.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Help Needed :: Tonbridge Entry timings 07/05/2022 at 17:35 #146399
DaveHarries
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Newhampshires in post 146397 said:
Would it be possible to delay or expedite the entry times as to simulate a proper 14 minute runtime? So essentially, the train enters early or late as an ECS (with a class 2 headcode) and then run as the WTT dictates.

Good suggestion but no. I did consider that idea but the service is Edenbridge - Redhill and the turnaround time at Redhill is only 4 minutes.

Steamer in post 146398 said:
I'd timetable them in from Tonbridge at a suitable time for them to pick up the return working from Edenbridge. Set the rules up so that the train appears X minutes after the inbound train arrives at Redhill (or another intermediate station) if the run time to Edenbridge exceeds the minimum turnaround time.

Remember that outbound trains will need to be timetabled through to Tonbridge or they won't fall off the sim.

And there, potentially, is another problem. They are not running through to Tonbridge on 08th May.

Dave

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Help Needed :: Tonbridge Entry timings 07/05/2022 at 17:47 #146400
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DaveHarries in post 146396 said:
However the only entry point I can use for those trains is Tonbridge. THe trip time from Tonbridge to Edenbridge is 14 minutes (or thereabouts) which means that trains from Edenbridge will have to enter sim probably before their previous working has left the area which, of course, makes no sense.
Actually it's only 6 minutes for a non-stop train. 2D98 in 2009 is scheduled for that time, and a quick test in the sim shows it's achievable there too (naturally ). So you could put a rule on the up train that it must enter X minutes after its down working passes Godstone - logic there being that's beyond the last point of delay for Three Bridges.

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Help Needed :: Tonbridge Entry timings 07/05/2022 at 18:02 #146401
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DaveHarries in post 146399 said:

Good suggestion but no. I did consider that idea but the service is Edenbridge - Redhill and the turnaround time at Redhill is only 4 minutes.

Steamer in post 146398 said:
I'd timetable them in from Tonbridge at a suitable time for them to pick up the return working from Edenbridge. Set the rules up so that the train appears X minutes after the inbound train arrives at Redhill (or another intermediate station) if the run time to Edenbridge exceeds the minimum turnaround time.

Remember that outbound trains will need to be timetabled through to Tonbridge or they won't fall off the sim.

And there, potentially, is another problem. They are not running through to Tonbridge on 08th May.

Dave
Just run them through with no stops after Edenbridge; there's no other way to handle them without removing the trains entirely. It's not part of the visible simulation so it won't be too obvious.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Help Needed :: Tonbridge Entry timings 07/05/2022 at 19:51 #146402
DaveHarries
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GeoffM in post 146400 said:
Actually it's only 6 minutes for a non-stop train. 2D98 in 2009 is scheduled for that time, and a quick test in the sim shows it's achievable there too (naturally ). So you could put a rule on the up train that it must enter X minutes after its down working passes Godstone - logic there being that's beyond the last point of delay for Three Bridges.

Thanks Geoff. I will set the entry time for 6mins before time of departure from Edenbridge.

Dave

Last edited: 07/05/2022 at 19:56 by DaveHarries
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