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| Leeds North West SX 2009 10 15 - 5H02 14/01/2023 at 22:20 #150151 | |
rfw
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Creating a new thread due to pinned thread for the TT locked due to age. Trian 5H02 on arrival at Skipton Pl4 for the first time (after L4031/4549) should have a position of Near or Near exact due to the subsidiary aspect on 4038 signal being approach locked into the Down stabling siding, requiring tract section TNB to be occupied. Default stopping position for this train does not have it in this track section and therefore does not receive a proceed aspect into the sidings. ================================= OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.24; Sim: Simulation Leeds Northwest; data version 1.7 License: Dynamic license in use TT: Leeds Northwest 2009-10-15 SX v5.0.0 TT filename: Leeds Northwest 2009-10-15 SX.WTT TT merged: False Sim upgrade: False Loader upgrade: False Save reloaded: False NARS active at start NARSON active at start NLXNORMAL active at start NCROSSLEYCP active at start NSC1 active at start NSC1 choice 1 NSC2 choice 2 NERA2000 active at start The train now standing on platform 2, should be on the rails Log in to reply |
| Leeds North West SX 2009 10 15 - 5H02 16/01/2023 at 13:54 #150165 | |
postal
5190 posts |
If you let things run on until due departure time the ECS starts to move towards the signal, allowing the signal to clear once the relevant TC is occupied. Given the length of time the sim and TT have been available a problem as fundamental as this would surely have been reported long ago. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Leeds North West SX 2009 10 15 - 5H02 16/01/2023 at 15:21 #150166 | |
jc92
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postal in post 150165 said:That depends if anyone else identified it as a problem or accepted it worked so wasn't incorrect. Skipton certainly isn't the only location where this race condition occurs, for which there isn't a true fix. Presumably in real life, the driver would call to obtain permission to draw forwards towards the signal. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Leeds North West SX 2009 10 15 - 5H02 26/01/2023 at 17:19 #150273 | |
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rfw
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postal in post 150165 said:If you let things run on until due departure time the ECS starts to move towards the signal, allowing the signal to clear once the relevant TC is occupied.I did and waited for departure time and 5 minutes over. F2 status was waiting for right away from Skipton. It is the same reason why a train on 9B of BNS won't move towards FWY if only 217 is off, but 218 is still on. It is a TT bug. postal in post 150165 said: Given the length of time the sim and TT have been available a problem as fundamental as this would surely have been reported long ago.Correlation is not causation. Whether or not a core code change has caused it, I'don't know. It's still at TT bug The train now standing on platform 2, should be on the rails Log in to reply |
| Leeds North West SX 2009 10 15 - 5H02 26/01/2023 at 19:12 #150276 | |
GeoffM
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rfw in post 150273 said:It is the same reason why a train on 9B of BNS won't move towards FWY if only 217 is off, but 218 is still on.They're two different things. In the case of "signal won't show proceed until train is close; train won't move until signal is showing proceed", SimSig usually handles this by identifying the chicken and egg situation, like Postal said. In the case of New Street, trains in real life are not dispatched until the end platform signal is showing proceed, so this is correct behaviour. There are cases of shunting along the platform but that's not the case here. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Leeds North West SX 2009 10 15 - 5H02 26/01/2023 at 21:58 #150278 | |
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postal
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rfw in post 150273 said:postal in post 150165 said:We have different experiences then. I ran the sim, watched a debug for the ECS and it started moving towards the signal before the signal cleared.If you let things run on until due departure time the ECS starts to move towards the signal, allowing the signal to clear once the relevant TC is occupied.I did and waited for departure time and 5 minutes over. F2 status was waiting for right away from Skipton “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |