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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 28/10/2018 at 12:49 #112907
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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015

This thread is for discussion of the Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 timetable.

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 08:42 #112955
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Using "Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 0400 Start". I had 5L42 appear twice, within ten minutes of each other.
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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 29/10/2018 at 09:21 #112957
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Im not by a PC just now will take a look later
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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 02/11/2018 at 01:38 #113057
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Not a bug but out of interest:

What is 1Z37? Builth Road seems like a really strange destination. I thought it might be a railtour but it's an ATW service.

What is 1Z99? It looks like an 08 is booked to drag a HST from Swansea Station to Landore depot. Is this a regular booked move or was there a failure on the day the data was collected.

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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 02/11/2018 at 08:52 #113059
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1Z99 is due to an on the day failure.

1Z97 / 1Z98 are the "flower ex" for the royal Welsh show at Builth Wells.

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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 03/11/2018 at 11:05 #113083
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Firstly, thankyou for this sim/timetable.

You have kind of explained 1Z37 as a special but it does cause conflicts with other services. 2B55 ends up waiting at red behind it at Bridgend, Pyle and Port Talbot parkway. In fact 2B55 is scheduled to arrive at PTP before 1Z37 has left. 1Z37 also conflicts with 6B15 from Margam to Burrows, which I route via the relief at PTP, which loses about 4 minutes for that service. At the branch with Pantyffynnon, 2V36 is held due to the timing of 1Z37.

The only other note is the timings of trains departing Maesteg. They don't have enough time to arrive at Garth on time so leave about 4 late but then arrive at Tondu on time so I suspect the times at Garth simply need 4 minutes adding to them. I haven't noticed if this happens on services towards Maesteg.

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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 03/11/2018 at 11:19 #113085
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lukebriner in post 113083 said:
Firstly, thankyou for this sim/timetable.

You have kind of explained 1Z37 as a special but it does cause conflicts with other services. 2B55 ends up waiting at red behind it at Bridgend, Pyle and Port Talbot parkway. In fact 2B55 is scheduled to arrive at PTP before 1Z37 has left. 1Z37 also conflicts with 6B15 from Margam to Burrows, which I route via the relief at PTP, which loses about 4 minutes for that service. At the branch with Pantyffynnon, 2V36 is held due to the timing of 1Z37.
Unfortunately that's how 1Z37 was planned to run on the day, warts and all. You tend to find this in the real world timetable data with stuff that is planned at the last minute.


lukebriner in post 113083 said:

The only other note is the timings of trains departing Maesteg. They don't have enough time to arrive at Garth on time so leave about 4 late but then arrive at Tondu on time so I suspect the times at Garth simply need 4 minutes adding to them. I haven't noticed if this happens on services towards Maesteg.
Again times are per the real life timetable data. I'll have a look why things are loosing time.

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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 05/11/2018 at 11:17 #113140
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headshot119 in post 113085 said:
lukebriner in post 113083 said:
Firstly, thankyou for this sim/timetable.

You have kind of explained 1Z37 as a special but it does cause conflicts with other services. 2B55 ends up waiting at red behind it at Bridgend, Pyle and Port Talbot parkway. In fact 2B55 is scheduled to arrive at PTP before 1Z37 has left. 1Z37 also conflicts with 6B15 from Margam to Burrows, which I route via the relief at PTP, which loses about 4 minutes for that service. At the branch with Pantyffynnon, 2V36 is held due to the timing of 1Z37.
Unfortunately that's how 1Z37 was planned to run on the day, warts and all. You tend to find this in the real world timetable data with stuff that is planned at the last minute.


lukebriner in post 113083 said:

The only other note is the timings of trains departing Maesteg. They don't have enough time to arrive at Garth on time so leave about 4 late but then arrive at Tondu on time so I suspect the times at Garth simply need 4 minutes adding to them. I haven't noticed if this happens on services towards Maesteg.
Again times are per the real life timetable data. I'll have a look why things are loosing time.
Maybe it's one of those where the timings the planners use are simply wrong, but when the train arrives at destination it's on time so no-one sees any real need to make an issue of it?

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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 05/11/2018 at 11:51 #113144
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kbarber in post 113140 said:
headshot119 in post 113085 said:
lukebriner in post 113083 said:
Firstly, thankyou for this sim/timetable.

You have kind of explained 1Z37 as a special but it does cause conflicts with other services. 2B55 ends up waiting at red behind it at Bridgend, Pyle and Port Talbot parkway. In fact 2B55 is scheduled to arrive at PTP before 1Z37 has left. 1Z37 also conflicts with 6B15 from Margam to Burrows, which I route via the relief at PTP, which loses about 4 minutes for that service. At the branch with Pantyffynnon, 2V36 is held due to the timing of 1Z37.
Unfortunately that's how 1Z37 was planned to run on the day, warts and all. You tend to find this in the real world timetable data with stuff that is planned at the last minute.


lukebriner in post 113083 said:

The only other note is the timings of trains departing Maesteg. They don't have enough time to arrive at Garth on time so leave about 4 late but then arrive at Tondu on time so I suspect the times at Garth simply need 4 minutes adding to them. I haven't noticed if this happens on services towards Maesteg.
Again times are per the real life timetable data. I'll have a look why things are loosing time.
Maybe it's one of those where the timings the planners use are simply wrong, but when the train arrives at destination it's on time so no-one sees any real need to make an issue of it?
True. On Hereford I held it at Hendy Junction while the service train headed towards Llanelli, earning a 14 min delay but it was back on time by Llandeilo.

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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 09/11/2018 at 02:15 #113205
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1Z99 appeared twice from Landore Depot, the second appeared at Landore down end just as the first was setting back onto the depot up end from Landore Jn.
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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 09/11/2018 at 07:19 #113206
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1Z99 was reported on the bug tracker by Kaiwhara #22098.
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