Update on West Hampstead PSB changes

Am I correct in thinking this would be transferring back what was the original area of West Hampstead? Was any explanation given for the reasoning of the transfer?

I remain hopeful that the Kings Cross (Modern Era) will be updated, perhaps with a new West Hampstead era to include the Thameslink core on both sims. I do, of course, know that the chances of such may be rather slim.

Dave

Am I correct in thinking this would be transferring back what was the original area of West Hampstead? Was any explanation given for the reasoning of the transfer?

It would be good to have Canal tunnels etc BUT I would place a scrolly Cambridge with the old paged layout and the current modern layout ahead of any additional work to West Hampstead or Kings Cross even though Kings Cross used to be my local area together with Peterborough.

That said as sone Sims have up to 5 different eras, it's not beyond the impossible.

I know the powers to be like to spring surprises so while I welcome to be corrected and shown to be wrong,I won't build up my hopes.

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I would say there is a far better chance of flying pigs happening or me winning the lottery in my own personal view as I'm pretty sure it's been stated that Kings Cross will receive no more updates from the powers to be ..........

That said as sone Sims have up to 5 different eras, it's not beyond the impossible.

ajax103 in post 145582 said:

[quote=Dionysusnu;post=145580]

I would say there is a far better chance of flying pigs happening or me winning the lottery in my own personal view as I'm pretty sure it's been stated that Kings Cross will receive no more updates from the powers to be ..........

That said as sone Sims have up to 5 different eras, it's not beyond the impossible.

Maybe some background on eras would help, purely from my testing / suggesting additions on sims with them.

The number of eras does not matter.

The complexity certainly does. Lopping off a siding or two, changing a goods line to a platform is fairly easy.
Adding wiring is trickier as there's always gaps left in error and takes a lot of testing and fixing to get right (CSCOT).

Often many of these are dealt with by a degree of flexibility on the exact sim date, as NR leave sidings lying around for years so can the sim. That allows many 'older' timetables than the nominal sim date to be run with little loss of accuracy, and clearly a 'steam' or 'diesel' timetable can run on a sim that happens to be wired.

The real difficulty comes when larger areas are different with a lot of reconnections to the 'always there' parts of the sim. Same with platform renumbering, which is also an issue for real on NR hence all the Platform 0, -1, A etc.
To get to examples, Motherwell has eras affecting level crossing type and stations on plain track (easy) and yards (big changes but relatively limited interconnections onto plain track). There are no conflicting platform numbers for timetabling so locations just grey out by era.

When you consider Edinburgh and Kings Cross these are large changes, a platform renumbering at Edinburgh and a very large number of 'joining ups' on both. Simply not viable as it is far more work than as a new clean sim, although some blocks of the basic data can be reapplied, say Alex Palace to Langley.

bill_gensheet in post 145587 said:

ajax103 in post 145582 said:

[quote=Dionysusnu;post=145580]

I would say there is a far better chance of flying pigs happening or me winning the lottery in my own personal view as I'm pretty sure it's been stated that Kings Cross will receive no more updates from the powers to be ..........

That said as sone Sims have up to 5 different eras, it's not beyond the impossible.

Maybe some background on eras would help, purely from my testing / suggesting additions on sims with them.

The number of eras does not matter.

The complexity certainly does. Lopping off a siding or two, changing a goods line to a platform is fairly easy.
Adding wiring is trickier as there's always gaps left in error and takes a lot of testing and fixing to get right (CSCOT).

Often many of these are dealt with by a degree of flexibility on the exact sim date, as NR leave sidings lying around for years so can the sim. That allows many 'older' timetables than the nominal sim date to be run with little loss of accuracy, and clearly a 'steam' or 'diesel' timetable can run on a sim that happens to be wired.

The real difficulty comes when larger areas are different with a lot of reconnections to the 'always there' parts of the sim. Same with platform renumbering, which is also an issue for real on NR hence all the Platform 0, -1, A etc.
To get to examples, Motherwell has eras affecting level crossing type and stations on plain track (easy) and yards (big changes but relatively limited interconnections onto plain track). There are no conflicting platform numbers for timetabling so locations just grey out by era.

When you consider Edinburgh and Kings Cross these are large changes, a platform renumbering at Edinburgh and a very large number of 'joining ups' on both. Simply not viable as it is far more work than as a new clean sim, although some blocks of the basic data can be reapplied, say Alex Palace to Langley.

As a point of interest, I am at the moment working on a May 2022 King’s Cross timetable. It will be interesting to see how today’s service will be handled on the old King’s Cross layout. I’ve no idea how it’s going to pan out until testing. Clearly there are going to be conflicts, but how much of an issue this will cause remains to be seen.

The two things which would be wonderful on King’s Cross would be a “Thameslink” era, with the Canal Tunnels interface and also Stevenage platform 5. One can but dream, however adding Biggleswade and Royston to complete the panel would also be a nice to have. All this and make it payware?! :-)

Any idea of the date proposed for this change? (I knew something was happening at West Hampstead, but not exactly what).