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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 15:11 #154330
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francisoldfield in post 154329 said:
Also... Sorry I really am enjoying this SIM!

How do you get a train into the IEP depot from the station, there doesn't seem to be a grey triangle or similar?

What era are you running the sim in? What timetable are you using and are you able to also provide saves?

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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 15:20 #154331
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[quote=francisoldfield;post=154313]Hi

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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 16:24 #154339
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JohnMiller in post 154308 said:
4D44 is booked to Scunthorpe but is booked via Adwick, meaning at Adwick junction it would take the junction towards Hatfield & Stainforth, however when 4D44 gets to Adwick the train is doing over 60mph as though its going direct to Leeds. Maybe the timetable needs this train to be routed via Bentley Jc instead
There is presumably nothing in the Doncaster Station sim coding to relate to the speed settings at Adwick which is part of the Doncaster North sim. On the Doncaster North sim the train runs through Adwick and on to Hatfield and Scunthorpe obeying the relevant limits so if you were part of a Doncaster Station / Doncaster North chain you would see it slowing down as it approached Adwick on the Doncaster Station sim. I've got no idea whether there is any provision in the code to regulate the speed for an off-sim junction or other restriction.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 17:20 #154342
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MarkC in post 154330 said:
francisoldfield in post 154329 said:
Also... Sorry I really am enjoying this SIM!

How do you get a train into the IEP depot from the station, there doesn't seem to be a grey triangle or similar?

What era are you running the sim in? What timetable are you using and are you able to also provide saves?
It appears that in the 2022 onwards era, the grey triangle to allow routes to be set into Carr IEP depot from the station area has been omitted.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 17:38 #154343
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Splodge in post 154328 said:

Does that mean permitting departure from Decoy just moves the train to the siding exit signal? It seems unlikely, given it's a berthing and traincrew relieving point, that trains would be calling hours in advance of departure still but perhaps thats something a shunter deals with ordinarily and its just being simulated here for completeness?

Location stepping seems to have fixed itself - I'm not sure if it was perhaps something to do with seeded trains.
The Core Code feature which generates the call advising a train is departing (Which is needed as Decoy does not have TRTS) long predates various newer features such as regulating stops, crew changes etc. It's more of an advise call more than anything else. We've got an open Core Code ticket to look at addressing whether we can improve on it, rather than the wait to time being in the subsequent waiting at signal message.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 17:52 #154344
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chrisdmadd in post 154299 said:
Just a small issue noticed on the chain tonight, when sending a train from DON South to DON station, Sutton level crossing isnt clearing until the train is almost on DON Station sim. So the train is always leaving DON south on a single yellow towards Sutton.

In the UP direction id also say the timings are off slightly for Botany Bay as trains are passing a double yellow before that one clears.
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JohnMiller in post 154308 said:
4D44 is booked to Scunthorpe but is booked via Adwick, meaning at Adwick junction it would take the junction towards Hatfield & Stainforth, however when 4D44 gets to Adwick the train is doing over 60mph as though its going direct to Leeds. Maybe the timetable needs this train to be routed via Bentley Jc instead
The off simulation junction is not comprehensively simulated in the Doncaster Station simulation which is why you are seeing this behavior. We try and avoid off simulation routing where possible as it is complicated to get it to work correctly and reliably for the end user.

francisoldfield in post 154313 said:
Hi

Maybe I missed it in the manual. Is there no route from D231 on the up slow into the Decoy railport?
It says no route between signals, if that is the case how do you get something from the Down Lincoln into Railport?

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francisoldfield in post 154327 said:
Also unrelated. Train IDs don't seem to step when routing from where I have indicated onwards.

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francisoldfield in post 154329 said:
Also... Sorry I really am enjoying this SIM!

How do you get a train into the IEP depot from the station, there doesn't seem to be a grey triangle or similar?

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While these are genuine issues you've identified, I'm not sure what timetable you are running, just a note of caution that the simulation only shipped with a 2009 and a 2019 timetable, neither of which should be run in the 2022 onwards era as it's not the correct era for either timetable, and you may encounter issues with the era not being compatible.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 18:55 #154345
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ah that could be it, many thanks and apologies for any hassle caused! fantastic sim though!
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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 19:47 #154351
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There are a lot of questions and possible bugs posted here, but one thing I'm not seeing much of are saved games. It makes our job so much easier if you help us by simply attaching a saved game to your report. Pictures may paint a thousand words but a saved game provides the full story.

Please attach a saved game to your posts!

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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 19:59 #154356
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Just a quick one, does anyone know the origin of how the “Decoy” yards ended up with that name? Anything to do with confusing the Luftwaffe in WW2 perhaps?
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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 20:38 #154358
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2W34 in post 154356 said:
Just a quick one, does anyone know the origin of how the “Decoy” yards ended up with that name? Anything to do with confusing the Luftwaffe in WW2 perhaps?
The area was built on marshland (Carrs - hence potteric Carr, black carr, Carr loco, loversall Carr, Carr hill and Bessecarr). The gentry went hunting for ducks and similar game in Decoys (hides) which gave the area its name. The yards predate both world wars

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Doncaster Station FAQ 21/11/2023 at 21:23 #154360
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jc92 in post 154358 said:
2W34 in post 154356 said:
Just a quick one, does anyone know the origin of how the “Decoy” yards ended up with that name? Anything to do with confusing the Luftwaffe in WW2 perhaps?
The area was built on marshland (Carrs - hence potteric Carr, black carr, Carr loco, loversall Carr, Carr hill and Bessecarr). The gentry went hunting for ducks and similar game in Decoys (hides) which gave the area its name. The yards predate both world wars
Interesting snippet of information. My wife comes from Doncaster. Bet that she doesn't know that. Her brother still lives there. Bet that he doesn't know either.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 22/11/2023 at 15:17 #154366
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When I visited Doncaster earlier in the year I was shown that you can route from D1402/1404/1406/1408 at Decoy to D208/210/224 and D232 will act as if its a running shunt and clear. I can get more info on this from contacts if it unclear from control tables?
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Doncaster Station FAQ 22/11/2023 at 16:57 #154368
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ajax103 in post 154324 said:


There is another way which could offer value for players and that's if SimSig introduced a subscription model on a monthly, 3 monthly, 6 monthly and yearly model as well as current pricing which for the subscription model would allow players to play all simulations while their subscription is active and once expired, they only have the simulations they brought or were freeware that are available to play, the payware simulations that they have yet to purchase will simply remain in demo mode until they purchase it or renew their subscription.
If this was to be offered to SimSig players, I think that it should be made an option, not compulsory. I wouldn't wish to be committed to a subscription system.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 22/11/2023 at 19:16 #154373
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bugsy in post 154368 said:
ajax103 in post 154324 said:


There is another way which could offer value for players and that's if SimSig introduced a subscription model on a monthly, 3 monthly, 6 monthly and yearly model as well as current pricing which for the subscription model would allow players to play all simulations while their subscription is active and once expired, they only have the simulations they brought or were freeware that are available to play, the payware simulations that they have yet to purchase will simply remain in demo mode until they purchase it or renew their subscription.
If this was to be offered to SimSig players, I think that it should be made an option, not compulsory. I wouldn't wish to be committed to a subscription system.
Its been suggested before but won't happen and I understand the reasoning behind why it won't happen at the current time.


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Doncaster Station FAQ 22/11/2023 at 20:03 #154379
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I've had 8D51 running late from Belmot yrd - Catherines loops - decoy RP. I also had 4N74 from the south going to the north. I tried optimistically to route 8D51 via NO5 RCPN towards st Catherines Loops. The driver directly complained about missing decoy JN, and I told him carry on. It messaged me again about not being booked via Down Decoy No5 to 7. Is this route not allowed? Or is the driver a bit to strict? If he would take this route both trains could carry on towards their destination without waiting.


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Doncaster Station FAQ 22/11/2023 at 20:07 #154380
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And seconds later 4N74 called me to tell me he really really wants to go via Down Decoy Reception SDGS, even though he has a set down if required time. In this case he does not have to wait, he has a clear line al the way to York with no trains behind him that go faster as 60mph. So in my opinion he should just go via the flyover down line without calling me.


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Doncaster Station FAQ 22/11/2023 at 21:27 #154383
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I have a lucky points fail at Marshgate Jnc Is there a reason I can't route from Up Leeds through M & K into Platform 3? I thought that was the point of the routing buttons? 2019 TT with Screenshot and save attached
Otherwise its been bloody good!!
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Doncaster Station FAQ 22/11/2023 at 21:37 #154384
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broodje in post 154380 said:
And seconds later 4N74 called me to tell me he really really wants to go via Down Decoy Reception SDGS, even though he has a set down if required time. In this case he does not have to wait, he has a clear line al the way to York with no trains behind him that go faster as 60mph. So in my opinion he should just go via the flyover down line without calling me.

There is no differentiation in wrong route coding for the type of stop taking place at a location, as the train is booked to stop at Decoy it will phone wrong route in this case.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 22/11/2023 at 21:58 #154385
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I have a lucky points fail at Marshgate Jnc Is there a reason I can't route from Up Leeds through M & K into Platform 3? I thought that was the point of the routing buttons? 2019 TT with Screenshot and save attached
Otherwise its been bloody good!!
Thanks

Si
The details for the Via buttons are located in the manual.

302 M E or N E or M F or N F or L 284
302 M F or N F or L Plat 6
302 M F or N F or L Plat 7
302 M F or N F or L 288
302 M F or N F or L 290

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 00:12 #154387
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broodje in post 154379 said:
I've had 8D51 running late from Belmot yrd - Catherines loops - decoy RP. I also had 4N74 from the south going to the north. I tried optimistically to route 8D51 via NO5 RCPN towards st Catherines Loops. The driver directly complained about missing decoy JN, and I told him carry on. It messaged me again about not being booked via Down Decoy No5 to 7. Is this route not allowed? Or is the driver a bit to strict? If he would take this route both trains could carry on towards their destination without waiting.

From a real life point of view, this is correct. Drivers Route knowledge for the main lines, 1-4 Sdgs and the RMT Sdgs are all separate from each other so he could legitimately sign main but not yards.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 03:23 #154388
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madaboutrains in post 154366 said:
When I visited Doncaster earlier in the year I was shown that you can route from D1402/1404/1406/1408 at Decoy to D208/210/224 and D232 will act as if its a running shunt and clear. I can get more info on this from contacts if it unclear from control tables?
Thanks, but I don't think we can do that currently. Maybe a virtual route (set two or more routes with one pair of clicks, though still separate routes) but I'll have a look.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 11:39 #154392
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Hap in post 154385 said:
simple68 in post 154383 said:
I have a lucky points fail at Marshgate Jnc Is there a reason I can't route from Up Leeds through M & K into Platform 3? I thought that was the point of the routing buttons? 2019 TT with Screenshot and save attached
Otherwise its been bloody good!!
Thanks

Si
The details for the Via buttons are located in the manual.

302 M E or N E or M F or N F or L 284
302 M F or N F or L Plat 6
302 M F or N F or L Plat 7
302 M F or N F or L 288
302 M F or N F or L 290

Ta

Craig
Hi Craig and thanks for the reply, Trust me the manual has been by my side ever since I bought the sim, It just seems that every combination possible apart from the 1 I wanted was available. I noticed it wasn't a combination in the manual but is there a reason that its not a valid route setting. I would hazard a guess to say its not a valid route in real life so I wondered if you knew why? Otherwise its fantastic and well done to you all for creating it.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 12:28 #154393
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I've got 0D74 that does a reversal at Decoy South Jct before going into Decoy 6 (2019 TT)

I've tried routing from D236 to D210 (and D224) but can't get D236 to clear. Where am I going wrong?

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 12:28 #154394
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simple68 in post 154392 said:
Hap in post 154385 said:
simple68 in post 154383 said:
I have a lucky points fail at Marshgate Jnc Is there a reason I can't route from Up Leeds through M & K into Platform 3? I thought that was the point of the routing buttons? 2019 TT with Screenshot and save attached
Otherwise its been bloody good!!
Thanks

Si
The details for the Via buttons are located in the manual.

302 M E or N E or M F or N F or L 284
302 M F or N F or L Plat 6
302 M F or N F or L Plat 7
302 M F or N F or L 288
302 M F or N F or L 290

Ta

Craig
Hi Craig and thanks for the reply, Trust me the manual has been by my side ever since I bought the sim, It just seems that every combination possible apart from the 1 I wanted was available. I noticed it wasn't a combination in the manual but is there a reason that its not a valid route setting. I would hazard a guess to say its not a valid route in real life so I wondered if you knew why? Otherwise its fantastic and well done to you all for creating it.

Cheers

Si
Not a problem Si. There was a ticket logged about the via routes back in very early testing. The routes that we're talking about here, were questioned. On investigation at the time the control tables simply noted that there is only one route availabel from 302 to platform 1 and 3.

However, I will ask the quetion again just to be sure we haven't missed anything.

It may take a a few days to reply back as it's Thanksgiving, and local holidays will be in full force.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 12:30 #154395
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andyallen4014 in post 154393 said:
I've got 0D74 that does a reversal at Decoy South Jct before going into Decoy 6 (2019 TT)

I've tried routing from D236 to D210 (and D224) but can't get D236 to clear. Where am I going wrong?

Andy



Hi Andy

You will need to clear D210/D208 when routing that way.

It's much easier using the single line between South Jn and St Cathrines.


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