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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 12:38 #154397
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Hap in post 154395 said:
andyallen4014 in post 154393 said:
I've got 0D74 that does a reversal at Decoy South Jct before going into Decoy 6 (2019 TT)

I've tried routing from D236 to D210 (and D224) but can't get D236 to clear. Where am I going wrong?

Andy



Hi Andy

You will need to clear D210/D208 when routing that way.

It's much easier using the single line between South Jn and St Cathrines.


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Craig
Thanks Craig, I did wonder if it could be the onward route.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 12:41 #154398
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andyallen4014 in post 154397 said:
Hap in post 154395 said:
andyallen4014 in post 154393 said:
I've got 0D74 that does a reversal at Decoy South Jct before going into Decoy 6 (2019 TT)

I've tried routing from D236 to D210 (and D224) but can't get D236 to clear. Where am I going wrong?

Andy



Hi Andy

You will need to clear D210/D208 when routing that way.

It's much easier using the single line between South Jn and St Cathrines.


Cheers
Craig
Thanks Craig, I did wonder if it could be the onward route.

Cheers,
Andy
No problem. I forgot to add to your D224 bit as well. You just have to wait for the foor crossing to do it's thing and then the road pulls off towards St Cats.

Craig

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 12:51 #154399
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I must say that I'm really enjoying this 2009 timetable and since starting again at 00:00 because I got totally in a mess sending trains to the wrong places, I've got to beyond 07:00 now without any problems thanks to peoples advice.

One other thing. I've never used scratchpads before, always just putting sticky notes everywhere, but now I find using the scratchpads much better and the screen is far less cluttered

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 14:29 #154401
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I found that once you know where all the yards are, (which is quite difficult when you haven't run the sim before and freights are appearing from all directions both from within the sim and externally and then working out where they are going) it is relatively easy to run at normal speed, I have tied myself up in knots once or twice due mainly due to setting routes far too early. thanks for the work by the developers and testers in producing this sim. in some respects I find Donny easier than Crewe and in other ways harder (I think the Yard working makes it harder, compactness makes it easier,

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 16:08 #154407
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I was doing some research of the area and the crossings on the Gainsborough line and noticed that 'Tindall' crossing is actually 'Tindale' in real life unless I'm missing something




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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 16:21 #154409
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BenWright in post 154407 said:
I was doing some research of the area and the crossings on the Gainsborough line and noticed that 'Tindall' crossing is actually 'Tindale' in real life unless I'm missing something
I've just had a look at the crossing database and it's listed as Tindall Bank - Public Footbath Crossing with Whistleboards.

A case of the railway doing it's own thing I think in terms of spelling.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 23/11/2023 at 19:04 #154415
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andyallen4014 in post 154397 said:
I did wonder if it could be the onward route.

Cheers,
Andy
I believe that the onward route is required so that a heavy freight is not stopped on the bank up to the flyover and is then unable to re-start.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 24/11/2023 at 00:19 #154419
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Ive got a TCF thats failed in the Ranskill area but i cant see it anywhere. Its Track Section 'T0681'. I presume this is on the fringe and therefore nothing I need to do about it? Save attached.

Also Ive had a few instances where trains are stuck on 'On telephone' in F2 and not moving when the signal is cleared. This save file is 4E65 who called early and i told to wait 15, then within that time i tried to route it out and it was still, 'On Telephone'. Save attached.
EDIT - Additional save attached, the train called again and it doesnt matter what option i select it stays stuck on 'On Telephone'.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 24/11/2023 at 16:20 #154426
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I have just reverted to an earlier save to get myself out of a tight situation.

I noticed that in that game, a train was scheduled from Potteric Carr Junction to the LIP Depot.
There appears to be no direct route unless the CARR MPD is the same location. Which route do I need to take?

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Doncaster Station FAQ 24/11/2023 at 17:31 #154431
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The grey triangle below the triangle for the MPD? LIP via the Loco Line
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Doncaster Station FAQ 24/11/2023 at 18:03 #154433
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chrisdmadd in post 154419 said:
Ive got a TCF thats failed in the Ranskill area but i cant see it anywhere. Its Track Section 'T0681'. I presume this is on the fringe and therefore nothing I need to do about it? Save attached.

Also Ive had a few instances where trains are stuck on 'On telephone' in F2 and not moving when the signal is cleared. This save file is 4E65 who called early and i told to wait 15, then within that time i tried to route it out and it was still, 'On Telephone'. Save attached.
EDIT - Additional save attached, the train called again and it doesnt matter what option i select it stays stuck on 'On Telephone'.
I think I had this - try doing a shunt forward makes it call again... at least I think thats what I did.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 24/11/2023 at 18:50 #154434
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Dick in post 154431 said:
The grey triangle below the triangle for the MPD? LIP via the Loco Line
Mmmm..... I can see that now that you have pointed it out. I thought that just allowed trains into the MPD, which I assumed was a different location. Live and learn

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Doncaster Station FAQ 24/11/2023 at 18:50 #154435
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Dick in post 154431 said:
The grey triangle below the triangle for the MPD? LIP via the Loco Line
Duplicate post..Text deleted

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 08:09 #154440
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geswedey in post 154401 said:
I found that once you know where all the yards are, (which is quite difficult when you haven't run the sim before and freights are appearing from all directions both from within the sim and externally and then working out where they are going) it is relatively easy to run at normal speed, I have tied myself up in knots once or twice due mainly due to setting routes far too early. thanks for the work by the developers and testers in producing this sim. in some respects I find Donny easier than Crewe and in other ways harder (I think the Yard working makes it harder, compactness makes it easier,

Glyn
Definitely agree with this, i'm finding this sim much more straightforward and easier to operate than Crewe. Perhaps it's because everything seems to be more clearly marked and things (usually) seem to work as i'd expect. Crewe seems more complicated with a lot going on in all different places at once.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 08:28 #154441
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andyallen4014 in post 154440 said:
geswedey in post 154401 said:
I found that once you know where all the yards are, (which is quite difficult when you haven't run the sim before and freights are appearing from all directions both from within the sim and externally and then working out where they are going) it is relatively easy to run at normal speed, I have tied myself up in knots once or twice due mainly due to setting routes far too early. thanks for the work by the developers and testers in producing this sim. in some respects I find Donny easier than Crewe and in other ways harder (I think the Yard working makes it harder, compactness makes it easier,

Glyn
Definitely agree with this, i'm finding this sim much more straightforward and easier to operate than Crewe. Perhaps it's because everything seems to be more clearly marked and things (usually) seem to work as i'd expect. Crewe seems more complicated with a lot going on in all different places at once.
I feel the same as you and geswedy. I noticed that the names of some of the junctions in the sim are white (or bold). I think this is a really good addition. This makes it much easier for me to navigate, compared to other large sims, like Crewe. And after an hour or so in real time playing, I had the entry points nailed.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 08:28 #154442
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Yep, I'm running the 3 Doncaster sims together at relative ease. I made more regulating errors at the southern section as on the station(!)
I guess we are in dire need for a loco hauled timetable ;). How was the area operated before the HST were introduced? How were the branches operated? All with DMU?

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 13:18 #154445
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broodje in post 154442 said:
Yep, I'm running the 3 Doncaster sims together at relative ease. I made more regulating errors at the southern section as on the station(!)
I guess we are in dire need for a loco hauled timetable ;). How was the area operated before the HST were introduced? How were the branches operated? All with DMU?
Depends on exact dates.

If we take 1974 as a typical 'pre-HST', you would have:
2 or 3 TPH London, one for Leeeds (ish), one for Scotland and maybe one 'other' York/Newcastle/Hull stops ahead of the next Scottish

About hourly Sheffield - Hull (mostly) or Cleethorpes (few) by 123/124 DMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_124
No separate Sheffield - Doncaster local
Some extra local Scunthorpe/Cleethorpes, look like local DMU.
More trains out of Cleethorpes being via Retford or Lincoln.

Irregular Doncaster - Leeds as only South Elmsall station open. Otherwise served by the Londons

4 towards Lincoln, outside summer season, probably 105 DMU from Cambridge

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 15:20 #154450
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Possible bug with 5Z11/12

5Z11 arrived on time and became 5Z12 but despite F2 list showing it departing at 1127 it won't move with the road or anything. It is now 1140 and I haven't had a call saying it will be delayed. Not sure why it won't go.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 15:34 #154451
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francisoldfield in post 154450 said:
Possible bug with 5Z11/12

5Z11 arrived on time and became 5Z12 but despite F2 list showing it departing at 1127 it won't move with the road or anything. It is now 1140 and I haven't had a call saying it will be delayed. Not sure why it won't go.
I have taken a look at your save, the departure time is listed as 1227.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 15:49 #154454
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I think i've seen this mentioned somewhere already but can't find it again so just wanted to flag, seem to be getting failures appearing immediately (or up to 5 mins max) after one has been fixed. Whilst its a good challenge, after almost 2 hours of a points failure in the station it gets rather tedious to then have another one 5 mins later.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 16:13 #154455
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andyallen4014 in post 154454 said:
I think i've seen this mentioned somewhere already but can't find it again so just wanted to flag, seem to be getting failures appearing immediately (or up to 5 mins max) after one has been fixed. Whilst its a good challenge, after almost 2 hours of a points failure in the station it gets rather tedious to then have another one 5 mins later.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 17:11 #154458
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bill_gensheet in post 154445 said:

4 towards Lincoln, outside summer season, probably 105 DMU from Cambridge
And, if I'm remembering my time as a student correctly, those would have gone directly from March to Spalding, not via Peterborough.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 25/11/2023 at 22:21 #154463
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broodje in post 154442 said:
Yep, I'm running the 3 Doncaster sims together at relative ease. I made more regulating errors at the southern section as on the station(!)
I guess we are in dire need for a loco hauled timetable ;). How was the area operated before the HST were introduced? How were the branches operated? All with DMU?
Pre HST doesn't really work with the layout as it changed drastically between 1977 and 1981.

From the 1981 timetable I'm writing, there are York to King's Cross semi fast services worked by Deltics on short Mk2 sets in their final year of operation. All other ECML daytime services are HSTs. Overnight there's a healthy number of parcel, motorail and sleeper services worked by a mixture of 47, 40, and 55s. (The odd GD 46 may have appeared but I havent put one in)

branch wise there are 5 round trips on the lincoln line to Cambridge with Lincoln based 105s and 114s. Sheffield is serviced by 123/124 sets from Manchester to Hull and cleethorpes, with a handful of local DMU services. Leeds is serviced roughly hourly by a local DMU service, prediminatly 101s. Cleethorpes also has an hourly DMU service and there are a handful of DMUs to Hull, as well as a light night/early morning deltic working on a handful of coaches and vans.
An infrequent service is also worked to York, again by 101s

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Doncaster Station FAQ 26/11/2023 at 00:12 #154464
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clive in post 154458 said:
bill_gensheet in post 154445 said:

4 towards Lincoln, outside summer season, probably 105 DMU from Cambridge
And, if I'm remembering my time as a student correctly, those would have gone directly from March to Spalding, not via Peterborough.
Yes, a grand total of 2 each way Peterborough - Spalding, one trip out and back at departing Peterborough at 07:21 and one at 17:48.
Full list of Doncaster arrivals from GNGE:
09:47 ex Sleaford
12:08 ex Ely (connection out of the Hook - Harwich - Manchester which was via Nottingham by 1974)
14:50 ex Norwich
17:58 ex Cambridge
20:37 ex Sleaford

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Doncaster Station FAQ 26/11/2023 at 17:55 #154475
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andyallen4014 in post 154454 said:
I think i've seen this mentioned somewhere already but can't find it again so just wanted to flag, seem to be getting failures appearing immediately (or up to 5 mins max) after one has been fixed. Whilst its a good challenge, after almost 2 hours of a points failure in the station it gets rather tedious to then have another one 5 mins later.

In the meantime, you can manually adjust the failure probabilities downwards in the settings until you reach some state that you're more happy with.

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