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| 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 20:54 #17993 | |
phil8715
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The train 6V20 arrives at Newton Abbot and I think it's supposed to reverse to Hackney Sidings. How do I reverse the points so I can set the route to send it to Hackney Sidings? Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 21:01 #17994 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Changing points manually normally involves left- (normal) or right- (reverse) clicking on the points themselves, however setting the route sets the points for you anyway as part of the route. Hope this helps. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 21:26 #17995 | |
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phil8715
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I am still having problems. The message I get is Subroute locked in opposite direction. I am I supposed to uncouple the loco and run round or do I reverse into Hackney Sidings? I've still not being able to complete the reversal of points. Do they turn blue and flash? Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 21:37 #17996 | |
postal
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The route needs to be set using the shunt signals not clicking directly from the main signal (signal 211) to the grey triangle in Hackney sidings. If you set the route from 211 to the shunt signal (the red triangle signal) 671 on the Dn Main and from 671 to the grey triangle, the route sets.
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| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 21:48 #17997 | |
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postal
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Phil There should be no need to manually set any of the points. If you are using the Summer 2006 TT, the train should be timetabled as: 1) Train arrives at P2. 2) Once the route behind the train has cleared (all of the white bits of track revert to grey) you need to use the shunt signals to set the route. Click from signal 211 (Up end of P2) to the shunt signal 671 (red triangle on the Down Main) and from there to the grey triangle in Hackney sidings. I haven't run the sim for a while and can't remember whether the train actually clears things down behind it (it may be too long to fit into P2 and may leave a bit hanging out of the back of the platform). If it does you need to cancel the routes from signals 84 and 86 and then signal back from 671 to the sidings. Hope that helps. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: UKTrainMan |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 21:58 #17998 | |
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phil8715
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I can pull the shunt signal off covering the junction into Hackney Yard but I can't seem to pull the signal off from platform 2 to the Junction signal I keep getting Subroute locked into opposite direction. This would seems to mean the points need to manually set to pull the signal off. Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 22:03 #17999 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Have you by any chance had a call from the train from Signal 88? If so then you'll need to set the route forwards towards Totnes then you'll be able to set the route from main signal 211 to shunt signal 671. HTH. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 22:23 #18000 | |
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phil8715
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I did but I saved the game and there's no call now. One thing I have noticed is that the train is not on the train list when I click F2. I pulled off 81 signal then tried pulling off 211 and got the same message. Problem is I need to clear that train as I have 6C99 breathing down it's neck. Is it possible that 211 signal won't pull off till 0200 the time of departure? Last edited: 19/07/2011 at 22:27 by phil8715 Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 22:38 #18001 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:I did but I saved the game and there's no call now. One thing I have noticed is that the train is not on the train list when I click F2.Keep it running for a few minutes and you'll get the call again, if needed. It is surely impossible for the train to not be on the F2 Train List unless it has already left the simulation - are you sure it isn't beyond the current view (do you need to scroll down the list)? Signal 81 does not seem to exist?!! As you're getting that message, it sounds like the train is in the way of the route being set. You should receive a call from it awaiting authority to proceed. Which signal is 6C99 standing at? Hopefully it's 84 and not 86 otherwise that complicates things slightly. You can pull off signals any time you like and do not need to wait for departure time, but it isn't advised to pull off a signal too early or when not needed as it could lock up the route and block another train - cancelling it is doable but that normally results in an ACOA (Adverse Change of Aspect) which results in penalty points behind applied to the score and a 'brown trousers moment'. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 22:51 #18002 | |
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phil8715
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" said:" said:It was stopped at 84 signal. It doesn't help not being able to display the signal numbers within the game.I did but I saved the game and there's no call now. One thing I have noticed is that the train is not on the train list when I click F2.Keep it running for a few minutes and you'll get the call again, if needed. It is surely impossible for the train to not be on the F2 Train List unless it has already left the simulation - are you sure it isn't beyond the current view (do you need to scroll down the list)? I might start a new game at 01.50 and see if I can do anything as the train will be be more prepared. Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 19/07/2011 at 22:58 #18003 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:It doesn't help not being able to display the signal numbers within the game.Go to F3 Options -> Control -> Untick Right click cancels route and you'll be able to see signal numbers when you right click on a signal. Alternatively, there is always the Exeter scrolly signalling diagram with all the signals handily marked out. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Last edited: 19/07/2011 at 23:02 by UKTrainMan Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 00:25 #18004 | |
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phil8715
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I still haven't managed it. Now the train has arrived at Newton Abbot running 36 mins early. Would this have a bearing on it?
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| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 07:19 #18006 | |
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postal
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Phil As UKTM wrote at 23:37 on Tuesday, "You can pull off signals any time you like and do not need to wait for departure time". It is very difficult to understand what is going on from the conflicting information that has been posted. Can you either attach a saved game from the time you are having the problem or a screenshot in order to clarify things, please. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 09:35 #18009 | |
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phil8715
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I'm not sure how to copy a saved game I went into the game copied the SS file and it won't let me post anywhere. I will attach a screen print later as I have to go out and I will need to install MS Office which takes ages. Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 09:40 #18010 | |
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postal
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No need for MS Office. When the sim is open and showing the right part of the screen, push the PrntScrn button which is normally somewhere along the top of the keyboard. Open up a graphics program (if you are using Windows, the default Paint program is fine for what you need to do). Do a Paste and your screenshot will show in the graphics program. Save it as a jpg or png file then make a post and use the add file button at the bottom of the new posting to add the screenshot to the posting. Apologies for not checking the allowed formats for attachments. The Forum won't allow uploads of .ssg files. It will allow zip files so saved games can always be uploaded by zipping them up first. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 13:43 #18015 | |
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phil8715
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Here is the screen print.
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| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 14:31 #18016 | |
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postal
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Phil Looking at your screenshot everything is working to plan and the train is between the shunt signal and Hackney Sidings on its way into the Sidings (as shown by the red, occupied track circuit). The headcode sitting in P2 is a red herring. There are a few locations across the various sims where the TT writer has beaten the developer; the developer writes the code so that the train description follows the route from berth to berth. Sometimes a TT writer then puts in a move that the developer did not write into the code and the TD gets left behind as the train goes to a berth that is not routed in the code. That's what has happened in this case and is why you get to the situation where 6V20 does not appear in the f2 list once it has reached Hackney Sidings, even though the TD remains on the panel. All you have to do is right click on the orphaned TD and cancel it. I can't remember offhand about Hackney Sidings, but when 6V20-2 appears from the Sidings, you may need to manually interpose the TD at the first available berth on the route. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 20/07/2011 at 14:36 by postal Reason: additional information Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 15:05 #18019 | |
Dick
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But if you look closely, there appears to be a route set from 88 to 86 as well so not sure how 6v20 managed to get where it is.
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| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 16:05 #18029 | |
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phil8715
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" said:PhilI've never had the train into Hackney sidings. Would it work if I just cancelled the train? Or should I give it a new rep number? It doesn't appear when the train arrives in the platform at Newton abbot. Are you saying that the train isn't actually in the station but the berth says it's is? Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 16:22 #18035 | |
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Dick
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Not sure what is occupying the berth toward hackney sidings, but if you have a route set from 86 to 88 (not 88 to 86 as I wrote earlier) which you appear to have, you will not be able to set a route from 211 to 671 and will get the error message you are getting. Right click on signal 86 and click 'cancel route'.
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| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 16:44 #18038 | |
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phil8715
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I set the route from the Junction signal to the Yard. That's probably the berth you can see.
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| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 17:15 #18041 | |
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Dick
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But something is occupying the TC as it is red, not sure what and how you got it there. Have you tried cancelling the route as suggested?
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| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 17:24 #18042 | |
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postal
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" said:Phil That is exactly what I am saying. Taking things back a step, when the train got into P2, did the red track circuit to the Exeter side of of signal 86 drop out or did it stay red? If it stayed red, the train is too long for the track circuit (TC) in P2 and the train was hanging out of the back of the platform. If that is the case, then you will not be able to clear signal 211 because the interlocking says that there is still a train approaching from Exeter in the TC and will tell you that the route is locked in the opposite direction. I think this is what has happened in this case. If the train is still foul of the Up side of signal 86, setting 671 to Hackney Sidings then allows the train to move. Despite what the TD in the berth says, your screenshot shows that there is no train in P2 at Newton Abbot, but that there is a train between 671 and Hackney Sidings. If you looked at f2 when you took that screenshot you will have seen 6V20 as proceeding in the Up direction and moving at 10 or 15 mph. When the train gets into the Sidings, it disappears from f2 and has gone from the sim, even though there is still text for 6V20 sitting in the berth on P2. Don't watch the berths, watch the TCs to see what is happening. As for never having had the train into Hackney sidings, you mentioned in an earlier posting that 6V20 was not showing on f2. I think that shows that the train had already entered the sidings and left the sim. As a final point I think you are confusing TCs and berths in your posting of 17:43. The berth is the 4-character text box holding the TD (6V20). The red section of route from the Junction signal to the Yard is an occupied TC - there is no berth showing on that section. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 19:28 #18053 | |
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phil8715
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So in essence what I need to do is let 6V20 leave Newton abbot just so it clears the offending track circuit? Then attempt to set the route? The problem is the train always runs early and sits in Newton Abbot and doesn't move. Where would you hold the train so it loses time? Log in to reply |
| Re: 6V20? 20/07/2011 at 19:33 #18056 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:Where would you hold the train so it loses time?If it's come from Exeter direction (as in stopped at or through St Davids station) then hold it there or if it's early enough into the simulation then I'd give it a try looping it at Dawlish Warren (not 100% guaranteed to work as it may not fit) as long as no other trains (such as a passenger train) need to stop there. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |