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| Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 04:02 #19122 | |
button_pusher
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Just came across a topic on guards kit via google and someone (headshot I think!) posted that a guard needs a 221 and possibly a grandmaster key. What would a guard need these for? Cheers Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 05:35 #19123 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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A guard would never need a 221 or a Grandmaster. There are very very few people on the mainline that would need a 221 or a GM, and for security reasons I'm not going to go into what they're for. The only keys (as defined by the RSSB rule book) a guard needs are a BR1 and a Carriage Key. Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 08:07 #19127 | |
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nezza
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" said:A guard would never need a 221 or a Grandmaster. There are very very few people on the mainline that would need a 221 or a GM, and for security reasons I'm not going to go into what they're for.Both these keys only apply to drivers.... again for security reasons I will not go into the detail in what they are used for but overall they are used by drivers which should give all the details that are needed for people. I have my own set and when I received them I had to sign a declaration for them. Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 09:05 #19129 | |
headshot119
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The context that the original question was asked in was for a heritage railway guard. I am currently training to be one. My duties in this role require me to have both a grand master and 221 key. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 09:08 #19130 | |
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nezza
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" said:The context that the original question was asked in was for a heritage railway guard. I am currently training to be one.Really........ bloody hell fair point in that case..... strange though for conductors or guards (whichever you wish to call them) are to have a 221 and gm key Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 09:50 #19131 | |
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Forest Pines
525 posts |
I had a 221 key issued when I worked on a heritage line - but that wasn't to work as a guard, and I don't think the guards were issued with one; I certainly can't think of any reason why they should. Of course, god knows if we used 221 locks for the same thing as the Big Railway - they weren't needed by drivers on our line either.
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| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 09:55 #19132 | |
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headshot119
4869 posts |
All I know is I need both of them as part of my duties. So I have them. I don't think that preserved lines use them the same way as the mainline do anyway. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 10:34 #19134 | |
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nezza
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" said:All I know is I need both of them as part of my duties. So I have them.I think you actually have a fair point in retrospect of my previous statement to what has been replied Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 13:50 #19143 | |
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UKTrainMan
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If it helps, here is the original thread from the old forum on this forum.
Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 05/08/2011 at 14:09 #19146 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
275 posts |
221's and GM's are used for a different purpose on the mainline, if heritage drivers have to have one, but on the mainline they are very strictly controlled.
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| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 06/08/2011 at 19:36 #19178 | |
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Quizman
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" said:221's and GM's are used for a different purpose Now why would a guard need one of these?  http://www.ship-of-fools.com/gadgets/personal/221.html :woohoo: Log in to reply |
| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 06/08/2011 at 20:31 #19181 | |
GeoffM
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" said:" said:Why on earth would one have a home kit? Stick it in the bedside cabinet for a rainy day? Repeated use?221's and GM's are used for a different purpose
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| Re: Guards Kit (from the old forum) 10/08/2011 at 17:40 #19313 | |
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button_pusher
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" said:" said:Why would a driver have one? I have both keys which get used daily in my job on the railway and shudder to think what a driver would need them for?A guard would never need a 221 or a Grandmaster. There are very very few people on the mainline that would need a 221 or a GM, and for security reasons I'm not going to go into what they're for.Both these keys only apply to drivers.... again for security reasons I will not go into the detail in what they are used for but overall they are used by drivers which should give all the details that are needed for people. I could perhaps envisage a driver with a 222 for hand operating points in an emergency but a grandmaster has no purpose in the hands of ops staff... Last edited: 10/08/2011 at 17:42 by button_pusher Reason: More to add... Log in to reply |