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Caan I make my own sim? 09/11/2011 at 10:31 #22637
alvinhochun
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249 posts 		Well, just to clarify... I am not talking about the possibility of doing this, I mean I'll program anything by myself.

The only thing 'really' related to SimSig is that, I will be using a font (in TTF) that is converted by myself based on the fonts given in SimSig System Files.

If really, I am done with my sim, either imaginary or real, can I publish it with any licening? The main point is still related to the point.

But in an alternate view, making any SimSig-like programs would involve fonts that is similar to the one in which SimSig uses (even the real IECC does, isn't it?) So I wonder how I should treat the font.
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Re: Caan I make my own sim? 09/11/2011 at 12:37 #22642
GeoffM
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Online 		In this context you've taken data that I have produced and converted it to your own format. One could say that the symbols used in the font are (c) Network Rail (or whatever)*, but the font file produced by myself is (c) Me. Though I don't mind you playing around with my font for personal entertainment, once you start to release software and claiming the font is your own, then you are most definitely violating copyright.

* Actually, I don't think they are because the symbols to be used are laid out in standards and you can't really copyright standards if you expect somebody to replicate those symbols without a copyright easement or license. Since I don't believe the latter exists, I believe the symbols are copyright-free or at least eased.
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Re: Caan I make my own sim? 09/11/2011 at 16:12 #22659
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275 posts 		Which standard is the design of the symbols in Geoff?
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Re: Caan I make my own sim? 09/11/2011 at 18:02 #22662
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5363 posts 		I'm not sure it's SimSig's role to help you set up in "competition".

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Re: Caan I make my own sim? 09/11/2011 at 18:27 #22664
GeoffM
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Online 		" said:
Which standard is the design of the symbols in Geoff?
I thought it was available through rgsonline but I couldn't find it earlier. It might be on the NR site which requires a login.
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Re: Caan I make my own sim? 09/11/2011 at 20:16 #22670
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275 posts 		I would have thought that it would be an RGS standard as outside companies would have to use it. I thought it might have been in GKRT0025, but it's not.

I'll try and find out if it's on IHS tomorrow.
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Re: Caan I make my own sim? 09/11/2011 at 21:18 #22673
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521 posts 		It used to reside in GK/GN 00525 but no longer.

Symbols for VDU based systems is in NR/SP/SIG/10067 - Requirement Specification for a VDU Based System (formerly RT/E/S/10067)

This appears to be changing soon judging by the following TI.

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Until such time as the requirements contained in the former Railway Group Standards relating to data transmission are incorporated into company standards (NR/GN/SIG/11600, NR/L2/SIG/00801 & NR/L2/SIG/10131), staff/contractors/suppliers shall continue to comply with the former RGS; SSP 50 (issue 1).
Until such time as the requirements relating to signaller’s control systems are incorporated into new/revised company standards, new and amended signaller’s control systems will be in accordance with the following standards and only those symbols and arrangements listed in the standards shall be used:-
GK/RT0025 (issue 2) and GK/GN0525 (issue 1) – applies to all signalbox diagrams and panels; NR/L2/SIG/10067 – applies to all VDU based systems (including IECC systems)
NR/L2/SIG/17504 – applies to IECC systems (and takes preference over NR/L2/SIG/10067 where there is a conflict)
In the event of a proposed non-compliance against these former RGS, the non-compliance application shall be made against this TI.
Interestingly rgsonline shows GK/GN 0525 as being withdrawn, however I believe this TI suggests we should continue to comply with the withdrawn RGS.

You can still view the withdrawn GK/GN 0525 on the RGS website

Hope this helps.

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Last edited: 09/11/2011 at 21:24 by Firefly
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Re: Caan I make my own sim? 10/11/2011 at 10:20 #22686
alvinhochun
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249 posts 		Well, thanks for everyone who replied to this thread!

Actually, I had thought of just using the font files installed by SimSig (and users must have SimSig installed, as a promotion for SimSig), but the problem is that C#, which uses GDI+, doesn't allow bitmap fonts. So that's why I need the font in True Type.

I am not planning to "compete" with SimSig, but the program may be useful in the future where I can have external modules reading and sending points, signals and TC data from/to openBVE (a in-cab simulator), from/to model trains, or even from the real world (quite impossible )!

So I thought the nature will be quite different.


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[font=SimSigSmallTTF;font-size:15px;line-height:15px;white-space:pre] jk
xxxxaaagacaxx[/font]

Just wondering how many of you can see the above thing.
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Re: Caan I make my own sim? 10/11/2011 at 10:30 #22688
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Online 		" said:
Symbols for VDU based systems is in NR/SP/SIG/10067 - Requirement Specification for a VDU Based System (formerly RT/E/S/10067)
That's the one I was thinking of.
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