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| TT editing query 12/11/2011 at 19:49 #22804 | |
DaveHarries
1266 posts |
Hi, When I hosted my Bristol sim this evening I started too late to get the Severn Beach Trains to start. So, during the sim, I edited two trains - 5K14 and 5K16 - to get the service going. 5K14 and 5K16 failed to enter so we had no SBL trains. For future reference, what should I have done? Help welcome. Thanks. Dave Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 12/11/2011 at 19:57 #22805 | |
postal
5190 posts |
Dave Depends what you mean by edited. For things like the Severn Beach service which is entirely within the sim, each train is formed out of the previous one so if there was no previous one, the next one cannot appear. You have to edit the TT so that the train you wish to see enters at one of the "entry points" for the sim. Go to the Train Details tab of the train TT and click on the pip beside the Entry Point and pick somewhere appropriate for the train then edit the rest of the TT to follow on from that. That is why when a new TT starts you see trains entering from all sorts of bizarre places; the sim cannot "see" a train unless it has been injected into the sim at one of the places the sim will accept. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 12/11/2011 at 20:27 #22809 | |
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DaveHarries
1266 posts |
Postal, Thanks. All I did was edit the times so perhaps that is where I went wrong. However there was already an entry point writetn in and so I left it as was. First time I ever edited a TT actually. Might my other undoing been not to have edited the train description? Dave Last edited: 12/11/2011 at 20:34 by DaveHarries Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 12/11/2011 at 20:41 #22812 | |
BarryM
2158 posts |
Hello Dave, I find the best solution in your case is not to edit but create new trains by duplicating the ones that you missed and edit them accordingly by changing the entry time and running times in advance of the current sim time. Make sure that the duplicate train numbers are identical to the originals. Barry Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 13/11/2011 at 19:42 #22864 | |
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postal
5190 posts |
Dave Finally think I've twigged what is going on. When you start the sim, you have the option to set the start time when you select the TT. If you edit that time to be later than the default start time of the TT, the sim then automatically ticks off all of the trains due to enter before the time you have selected as having already entered. So if you picked a sim start time later than the due entry of 5K14, the sim thinks that 5K14 has already been and gone; that is why any editing you do to 5K14 in the TT is ignored by the sim. As Barry says, the fix is to duplicate the TT. If you don't change any times, the duplicate will enter immediately and be recorded as however many minutes late; otherwise you can adjust the times as you create the duplicate so that the train enters when you want to see it (subject to all of the other SimSig constraints). Once the duplicate is created you can then edit the TT; for example you could edit it to pick up the service after its due "next train" by editing the detail for the final location. This would mean that the train it should originally have formed will not appear. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 13/11/2011 at 19:46 by postal Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 13/11/2011 at 20:56 #22870 | |
Peter Bennet
5357 posts |
" said:DaveMinor caveat the thing does look back 15 minutes so if you have a TT due to start at 06.00 and you start it at 07.00 all trains booked to enter after 06.45 should still enter - in a constant stream!. Couple of years ago there was no limit so everything entered, which was fun! Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 19/11/2011 at 18:43 #23297 | |
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DaveHarries
1266 posts |
Tried to duplicate a banker - 0E16 - on the Gloucester sim. On original 0E16 times are all given as '0000' and no entry point is given. Inevitably, perhaps, 0E16 duplicate failed to enter. What could have been done to make it enter? Dave Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 19/11/2011 at 18:48 #23298 | |
Stephen Fulcher
2023 posts |
There are usually instructions on what to do with the Lickey Banker in the TT description.
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| Re: TT editing query 19/11/2011 at 19:12 #23300 | |
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BarryM
2158 posts |
" said:Tried to duplicate a banker - 0E16 - on the Gloucester sim. On original 0E16 times are all given as '0000' and no entry point is given. Inevitably, perhaps, 0E16 duplicate failed to enter. What could have been done to make it enter?Dave, you need to enter an entry point and adjust TT accordingly. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 19/11/2011 at 19:22 #23305 | |
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AndyG
1834 posts |
I think the banker is originally seeded to enter at 00:00 as 0X00 (or similar) and runs across to the banker spur; it then has to be reassigned as required (as per the TT notes). Worth trying to duplicate 0X00 at an appropriate entry time and then reassign as 0E16 etc at the appropriate location. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Re: TT editing query 19/11/2011 at 19:25 #23306 | |
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postal
5190 posts |
" said:Tried to duplicate a banker - 0E16 - on the Gloucester sim. On original 0E16 times are all given as '0000' and no entry point is given. Inevitably, perhaps, 0E16 duplicate failed to enter. What could have been done to make it enter?Dave You've probably missed the point in one of my previous postings - you cannot just have a train/loco appearing. It either has to be formed out of a previous working or it has to "enter" the sim at one of the defined entry points. If you duplicate or amend a TT with no entry point then you are not doing anything to tell the sim that there is a new train which should be taken into the sim and then moved along the line. I presume you are running Gloucester 1985 v 1.112 TT. This has an explanation of how to use the bankers on the cover page for the TT but does not explain where the banker comes from in the first place. It is seeded out of 0X00 which enters at Bromsgrove South Siding and moves across to the spur. Once that train has entered and reached the spur, the sim knows that there is something sitting in the spur (currently held as 0X00 with no onward working). Whenever you get a train that requires a banker, you have to go into F2 and assign a new timetable to 0X00 - this TT will be the TT for the relevant banker. This banker drops off the train at Blackwell and should be given the TD 0B00 to run it back to Bromsgrove. The sim then knows that a banker is sitting at Bromsgrove as previously but this time as 0B00 rather than 0X00 which you can again run to another TT if banking assistance is required. Unless you let 0X00 enter in the first place, the sim cannot create any of the other bankers out of that seed. Apologies for duplication - I was typing all of that while Andy and Barry were quickly solving the problem! “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 19/11/2011 at 19:27 by postal Log in to reply |