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Fare evasion gone wrong 11/12/2011 at 20:19 #24914
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36 posts 		Just seen this on my local gen site and thought i'd share it with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eKKADFIEX84

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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 11/12/2011 at 21:07 #24923
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3631 posts 		reminds me of a fare dodger at doncaster. the guard pushed him off the 321, pressed the door closed button and kicked his feet clear of the doors, and gave the driver RA.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 11/12/2011 at 21:15 #24925
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1803 posts 		Saw this following a link in a Tweet on Twitter about 40 minutes ago. Didn't seem all that interesting until about 01:30 when it certainly did get interesting. I wouldn't suggest you jump to 01:30 straight away as you may not get the full story, so do watch it through from start to end. Made me laugh.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 11/12/2011 at 22:16 #24941
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476 posts 		People power! Don't think I'd have messed with the fella either.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 11/12/2011 at 23:09 #24945
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451 posts 		Was about to post this. Train delayed by passenger disturbances?!
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 11/12/2011 at 23:24 #24946
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Online 		The ejected passenger was trying to avoid paying his fare so the Guard and another passenger removed him - and so they should too.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 11/12/2011 at 23:53 #24950
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1803 posts 		New delay for SimSig: Delayed at [STATION] due to problems removing a fare evader.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 01:39 #24956
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86 posts 		It doesn't at all surprise me when something like that happens.

Think about it , your on your way home , tired , not in the mood for anything and then "BANG" , something like that happens. Its folk like that i've no time for.

However the easy way is summons the BTP , however that causes delays (think of ECS workings , drivers do need to get home too!)

Providing Blood isn't shed then as long as the person is off the train and its safe to depart , fine.

I don't think anyone would bother with it as its better delayed a few minutes than up to an hour awaiting the BTP!!
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 08:44 #24967
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274 posts 		Train delayed due to passenger ASSISTANCE lol
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 16:32 #24984
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359 posts 		That happened at Warrington once but it wasn't as bad as that there was a bit of an argument but the person got off the train and started moaning on the platform luckily the train was only delayed by about 2 minutes.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 16:43 #24985
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1107 posts 		Good on the guard for having such a helpful passenger to remove the disruptive passenger - However could not the traincrew requested local police attended to remove the disruptive passenger from the train?
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 18:12 #24987
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91 posts 		There is some idiots about.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 18:13 #24988
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166 posts 		You'd still have to wait for BTP/Normal Local Police to arrive which could take a while... Any Guards out there might be able to give a more informed opinion but in my mind, wait until you are getting quite delayed by calling for them, or arrange for them to meet you at a later calling point and hope the dodger doesn't get off first.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 18:23 #24990
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1835 posts 		" said:
Train delayed due to passenger ASSISTANCE lol
or passenger "persistence"?
I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 18:43 #24995
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25 posts 		This can be very difficult for a conductor, as a former conductor Central Trains you can and should call for BT police where possible , but at an umanned station with no SB or signals you have to make a decision on the spot and sometimes there are not enough other passengers to help, so a good driver often can and will help.Calling local police can lead to very long delays as they often have no one in area. British Transport Police at my local station (PETERBOROUGH) could normally be of great help.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 22:37 #25031
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1107 posts 		" said:
This can be very difficult for a conductor, as a former conductor Central Trains you can and should call for BT police where possible , but at an umanned station with no SB or signals you have to make a decision on the spot and sometimes there are not enough other passengers to help, so a good driver often can and will help.Calling local police can lead to very long delays as they often have no one in area. British Transport Police at my local station (PETERBOROUGH) could normally be of great help.
Regards Truckgirl 66 (Martin)
Peterborough's my local station as well, ;)

The fact that the BTP station at Peterborough is sited less then 5 minutes away for BTP to deal with any assistance means nothing as one of the local staff pointed out, they still need to ring the BTP in Birmingham to request assistance as they can't just ring across the road and ask directly.

At my old station, I and others never bothered the BTP at all in that the locals (Herts Police) were always called first as they were always there in 5 minutes if that even on non urgent requests - the reason being is the BTP had further to travel coming from Kings Cross or Peterborough and it was easier to have the locals who were based in the town come out to assist.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 12/12/2011 at 23:15 #25032
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1803 posts 		BBC News:- Probe after passenger throws fare-dodger off train
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 14/12/2011 at 15:26 #25476
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Online 		And more from the BBC:- Complaint over man who threw 'fare-dodger' off train
“In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 21/12/2011 at 14:36 #25971
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1835 posts 		The "big man" is charged.

BBC News item
I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either.
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 21/12/2011 at 17:01 #25984
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5363 posts 		Have just sent an email of complaint to the BTP- the man should be given a free First Class return as thanks.

Peter
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 21/12/2011 at 17:29 #25988
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275 posts 		Has anyone considered that the BTP may have had more evidence available than 3 minutes of poor quality footage?
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 21/12/2011 at 17:56 #25990
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5363 posts 		" said:
Has anyone considered that the BTP may have had more evidence available than 3 minutes of poor quality footage?
I've not- much prefer my own prejudices.

Peter
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 22/12/2011 at 04:09 #26034
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870 posts 		I wonder if the police have also considered a prosecution about the language that the fare didger actually used to the guard......probalby not. What is galling about this whole episode is that he the fare dodger will probably get away scot free (pardon the pun) and who knows knowing the present legal system that we have in the UK will probably get compensation for it all.

As Mr Bumble said "Law sir, if thats the law then I am an ass"

Geoff
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 08/02/2012 at 21:12 #29158
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5363 posts 		Appears the Crown Office have seen sense
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-16954147

Though it also looks like the fare dodger is getting off too.

As I've said elsewhere all this mobile phone filming and posting on YouTube or wherever which are then trawled over by the law enforcement agencies looking for "indiscretions" is reminiscent of the GDR where friends, neighbours and even relations spied on and reported on each other to the Stasi.

Peter
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Re: Fare evasion gone wrong 09/02/2012 at 02:13 #29175
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276 posts 		Common sense prevails at last however we have a case in SW London where a bloke (sorry sad drunken git) was ejected from a train and is now attempting to sue somebody for damages because he was on the last train and had to get a taxi home and wants his expenses paid for! Solution - shoot him, or is that a too right wing
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