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A few problems 28/12/2011 at 17:48 #26346
indian_railways_fan
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I have experienced mainly three problems in Saltley till now-though apart from that its a great sim.Thanks to the effort of all who have been involved in its development.

First is that I have a train entering at the very start of the default TT-5G06 from Tyseley TMD booked to Birmingham Snow Hill.By mistake I set its route towards the mainline below and before the driver could phone in a wrong route,I cancelled the route and ofcourse an Adverse Change of Aspect was reported and the driver phoned in as per routine.Well,the time now is 12:38 and the train is yet to move from its place.In F2 it is still shown as "on Telephone".Can the driver remain on the phone for more than six hours?For the record,I should mention that I have made the same mistake of cancelling routes in the face of approaching trains(in the same sim)and am yet to see another train behave like this.They usually start off in a few minutes after reporting the ACOA.

The second mistake I made was to receive a train booked to run-around its loco at Washwood Heath No.1 in the throuh Siding WH5 signal instead of in the Down goods line below.While the loco did detach itself,it started off in the wrong direction-that is towards the train rather than away from it.Well,I did get it to run-around by manipulating the TT but then when the loco arrived at the other end,it refuses to attach itself to the train inspite of my having re-instated the TT and the location.In other sims,I have noticed that even if the line/PF changes,the loco still manages to attach itself.

The third bug that I have noticed in Saltley and Euston is that if a wrong route is set for a train,the driver phones in saying he is standing at a red signal while the F2 list shows it as waiting for the correct route to set.The phone continues to ring with the red signal message till it is acknowledged after which the phone again rings to say that the train has a wrong route.Probably a general bug related to the latest core code?

Saved Game attached.

Khalid.
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Re: A few problems 28/12/2011 at 18:19 #26348
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Khalid,
A little bit more info required please, specifically with both the wrong routing and the run round, which signal the trains are actually standing at when the issues have occurred. Also what version of the default TT, midnight start or 05:45 start.

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Noel

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Re: A few problems 29/12/2011 at 04:23 #26377
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" said:

A little bit more info required please, specifically with both the wrong routing and the run round, which signal the trains are actually standing at when the issues have occurred. Also what version of the default TT, midnight start or 05:45 start.
Noel

Hi,
I am running the 05:45 start TT and I had recieved the train(4G67)initially upto WH5 shunt but then-I think-had to allow it upto SH-462 to let it clear the points behind.I then reversed the loco from SH-453 and then again from S-214.You will notice from the saved game that the engine also hangs over the points after being routed upto the train.

Note:The train list in the saved game shows 4G67 as detaching loco but that is happening only because while playing around with the train TT to get it to join the loco,it again started detaching a loco

Khalid.

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Re: A few problems 29/12/2011 at 14:19 #26398
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Right, the issue with the run round is because you are doing it in the wrong place.. the manual explains where it should be done... http://www.SimSig.co.uk/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=usertrack:mans:saltley:syoperation

The issue with 5G06 i have put on the bug board for investigation. I would suggest, in order to move it that you use the F2 menu and remove the train completly, however, you will probably get a whole load of trains entering the sim there after it is removed.

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Re: A few problems 30/12/2011 at 17:14 #26476
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Right, the issue with the run round is because you are doing it in the wrong place.. the manual explains where it should be done... http://www.SimSig.co.uk/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=usertrack:mans:saltley:syoperation
I've already mentioned in my initial post that I had mistakenly received the train in the wrong line.What I wanted to highlight was that the train still interpreted this as having arrived at the correct place(and I think this may also happen in real life due to exigencies of traffic) and started detaching the loco.Till now everything is ok but then as I'd written,the loco starts moving towards the train rather than away from it.Even after having run it around,the loco also refuses to attach itself to the train.I think this is a bug and was probably not detected in the testing phase because no one made the mistake of receiving the train in the wrong line.It should be easy to replicate the problem.

If this line is absolutely not meant for running around locos or if it is not allowed,then the loco detaching should also not be allowed.

Khalid.

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Re: A few problems 30/12/2011 at 18:05 #26482
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It certainly was detected in testing. I had the bug report written but didn't post it while I checked my facts to make sure I was accurate. I then realised that it was my own fault. I therefore didn't see it as a bug, but as a result of my own inadequacy - and I don't see why the developer or TT writer should have to allow for that.
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Re: A few problems 30/12/2011 at 19:32 #26484
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I see no reason why it should not report as having arrived at Washwood Heath No1 as it has done so, just on the wrong line.
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Re: A few problems 30/12/2011 at 19:48 #26485
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The manual states where the move is to take place, so therefore it's not a bug. Trains are allowed to be detached on that line, but the location is named differnently.
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Re: A few problems 30/12/2011 at 22:07 #26494
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I'd just like to say I run into this problem a lot but only on Saltley and not at any specific location , IIRC if you wrongly route a train, when the driver gets down to phone it in, and you tell him to wait the 5 to clear, it will get stuck at "On Telephone" and not do anything, ie not show up on the list of callers even after the 5, or move correctly when it clears to the correct route. The best only solution I've found is to give him a nudge with "Shunt Forward" and that seems to keep all parties happy. But it only happens on Saltley.
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Re: A few problems 04/01/2012 at 22:11 #26823
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the issue with 5G06 stuck on phone has been raise upwards as I am struggling to see anything with the sim data that would cause this

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Daz

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Re: A few problems 12/01/2012 at 18:35 #27182
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" said:
the issue with 5G06 stuck on phone has been raise upwards as I am struggling to see anything with the sim data that would cause this

Ta
Daz
FYI same thing has occurred with me on 0T52D3 at sig 379 (wrongly routed to Wichnor instead of Kingsbury) 95-96 timetable.
Steve

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