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Train running away alarm activated 18/01/2012 at 10:54 #27655
mickev
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Train running away alarm activated,but cannot see which train was the culprit.
Last moves was om16 to p4,route set for 2b55 to down slow.
Timetable 1977
Not sure if it was a false alarm.
Mick
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 18/01/2012 at 11:48 #27662
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1803 posts 		If it helps, I understand that that alarm is activated if a train passes a signal at danger within that immediate area. Not always something to worry about, of-course, as if you've authorised a train to pass signal at danger then you are aware of it and assumedly in-control of it.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 18/01/2012 at 11:49 #27663
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Online 		" said:
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Train running away alarm activated,but cannot see which train was the culprit.
Last moves was om16 to p4,route set for 2b55 to down slow.
Timetable 1977
Not sure if it was a false alarm.
Mick
i also experienced this with the same train and timetable. took a step back, acknowledged the alarm then reset it. i hadnt authorised anything past at danger but i had routed using the intermediate shunt signals
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 18/01/2012 at 17:15 #27688
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222 posts 		I have had this a few times (running 1977 timetable) without yet determining a common factor, and I haven't authorised a driver to PSAD. It may have always been light engines and shunt signals, but if so only in particular circumstances because there are a lot of those moves in the TT and most have happened without triggering the alarm.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 18/01/2012 at 17:22 #27691
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2738 posts 		" said:
i also experienced this with the same train and timetable. took a step back, acknowledged the alarm then reset it. i hadnt authorised anything past at danger but i had routed using the intermediate shunt signals
This should never happen for a signalled move. If it happens to you again, please immediately save the game and email it to me so I can investigate. Thanks.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 18/01/2012 at 17:28 #27693
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2025 posts 		It has happened to me once, but I assumed I had done something wrong and just reset the alarm and continued.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 18/01/2012 at 20:08 #27723
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Online 		Had this a couple of times playing the 77 timetable last night. Happened when routing trains over either of the Up Engine Lines. Always signalled moves - not PSAD's.

I don't have a save to hand though I'm afraid.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 19/01/2012 at 04:13 #27745
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37 posts 		Clive
I have a save,5 minutes before the running away alarm activated if this helps,
Mick
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 19/01/2012 at 10:02 #27750
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44 posts 		Having played the 1977 TT, i seem to get this alarm (but not every time) when signalling a joining move into P4 - when the loco gets to the track circuit immediately adjacent to P4 (so it looks like the train is leaving P4), is when the alarm seems to trigger. Like i say, though, it does not happen every time. Hope this helps.

At present i avoid signalling a joining move to P4 unless i have no other moves in the station throat, to avoid changes of aspect to other trains.

Izzy
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 19/01/2012 at 14:12 #27757
clive
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2738 posts 		" said:
I have a save,5 minutes before the running away alarm activated if this helps,
Can you use it to recreate the alarm?

What would be ideal is a save just before the alarm happens, plus detailed instructions that will reliably cause the alarm.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 19/01/2012 at 15:08 #27759
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14 posts 		I can confirm that I also received a train running away alarm without authorising a train to pass a signal at danger, whilst playing the 1977 TT. I will look through my snapshots to see if I can reproduce it.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 19/01/2012 at 15:35 #27761
mickev
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37 posts 		Clive
Yes i can recreate with the save,and all the details.I have to go to work now,when i will return,i will note all the details.
Mick
p.s I can email the save game if you require it, let me know your email address.
Mick
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 19/01/2012 at 17:18 #27764
clive
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2738 posts 		Please send it. clive@SimSig.co.uk
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 19/01/2012 at 18:06 #27767
Rushey Platt
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55 posts 		I've had this too on 1977, similar circumstances to the above posts - I just thought it was a "feature"!

Rob
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 19/01/2012 at 21:32 #27769
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895 posts 		Clive,
I've had this happen to me on the 1977 tt, saved just before it happened (narrowed it down by playing the same 5 mins time and time again)
i've been able to repeat the alarm being activated every time i ran it through. Dropped you the file and info to recreate it in an email
Hope it is of use for you
Nathan
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 20/01/2012 at 09:10 #27790
GoochyB
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222 posts 		I had another, it was just as Izzy described - LE on last track circuit before P4 while running into the platform to join train there. I have a save from immediately after the alarm had triggered if it would still help, although I expect that Nathan's pre-alarm will be more useful.

Brian
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 20/01/2012 at 10:17 #27793
y10g9
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895 posts 		i think we have a common location that causes it, cause mine was from the ULE2 to p4 via j (i think) and was a LE going into the platform to join.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 20/01/2012 at 12:08 #27801
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204 posts 		Just to add I have had this happen whilst I had set a route from palatform 15 to the down fast. Signal 15 was green but still recieved the tain running away ? Reset all and the train departed. If I can find the train and other info will let you know just in case it is a bug. Oh yes it was the 1977 tt as well.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 20/01/2012 at 21:57 #27835
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895 posts 		Clive, no saves available this time for you (i don't have auto save on) but ihave has the alarm activates on me again, this time i routed a light engine from L65 (the LOS on the up fast in euston throat, train stopped and reversed at shunt signal 25, routed him into p4, and train alarm was activated at the same point again. also had it happen when i routed a LE to L64 (LOS on the up slow) train stopped and reversed at shunt signal 24, routed into p4 and train alarm went off again, again at the same track circuits

Apologies that there are no save games again this time, but hope the info helps
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 20/01/2012 at 22:34 #27837
clive
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2738 posts 		Thanks for these reports. I now have enough information that I've been able to recreate it and can investigate further myself.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 21/01/2012 at 08:27 #27845
clive
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2738 posts 		Simple typo. Here's a little clue for anyone who wants to work out what was wrong: if you have a route set into platform 2 at the same time, the alarm doesn't go off.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 04/07/2012 at 13:04 #33638
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1313 posts 		It happens quite often in the '77 timetable - but that's because there are so much loco moves. Maybe that's why it was not noticed using the original timetable.

Sometimes the alarm is not activated when it should. This seems to happen when SPAD'ing trains from/to platform 1 to 3 in case of a failure.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 04/07/2012 at 13:27 #33639
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1461 posts 		" said:
Sometimes the alarm is not activated when it should. This seems to happen when SPAD'ing trains from/to platform 1 to 3 in case of a failure.
The alarm stating that a train has passed a signal at danger goes off when a train is told to pass a signal at danger? How surprising!
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 04/07/2012 at 17:02 #33641
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Sometimes the alarm is not activated when it should. This seems to happen when SPAD'ing trains from/to platform 1 to 3 in case of a failure.
The alarm stating that a train has passed a signal at danger goes off when a train is told to pass a signal at danger? How surprising!
If I read that sentence correctly then the alarm is NOT going off when trains are told to pass a signal at danger.
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Re: Train running away alarm activated 04/07/2012 at 17:31 #33642
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1461 posts 		I think I need glasses - I keep doing that!
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