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London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 08:54 #27927
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359 posts 		Would it be possible to do the London underground in places as a sim
and also what about the Manchester Tramlink is that controlled by anyone if so would that be possible.
Last edited: 22/01/2012 at 16:02 by Class 92
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 09:50 #27929
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2025 posts 		The Waterloo and City line is already simulated (Drain).
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 09:56 #27931
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359 posts 		" said:
The Waterloo and City line is already simulated (Drain).
i forgot about that one but i was meaning something a bit bigger like the district line
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 10:11 #27932
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353 posts 		Wembley Suburban also has the Bakerloo Line from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone. And NLL has a small section of the District Line from Gunnersbury Junction to Richmond.
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 10:58 #27933
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359 posts 		Earls court would be a good sim
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 10:59 #27934
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359 posts 		and what about Manchester Tramlink would that be possible
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 11:24 #27936
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5360 posts 		" said:
and what about Manchester Tramlink would that be possible
Anything not on the banned list is possible. Though I'm not sure how Tramlink is controlled. In the city centre it's mainly traffic lights from memory.

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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 11:40 #27943
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3922 posts 		" said:
In the city centre it's mainly traffic lights from memory.

EDITED: In the City Centre and the Eccles line beyond Pomona, it's white tram signals interlocked with traffic lights. Outside the city centre it's colour lights.

Also, the system is called the "Metrolink", not Tramlink.
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 15:07 #27955
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2650 posts 		Earl's Court has been done by PC-Rail simulations.
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 15:59 #27956
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359 posts 		" said:
" said:
In the city centre it's mainly traffic lights from memory.

EDITED: In the City Centre and the Eccles line beyond Pomona, it's white tram signals interlocked with traffic lights. Outside the city centre it's colour lights.

Also, the system is called the "Metrolink", not Tramlink.
I didn't know whether it was Metrolink or tramlink
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 16:01 #27957
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359 posts 		" said:
Earl's Court has been done by PC-Rail simulations.
I've played the demo of that one but the cost of there sims is stupid, plus half of them don't cover the whole area
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 16:06 #27958
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2650 posts 		Yes likewise I've played the demo & agree with your sentiments.
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 16:09 #27959
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493 posts 		Its the Croydon Tramlink and the Manchester Metrolink

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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 16:22 #27960
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310 posts 		" said:
" said:
In the city centre it's mainly traffic lights from memory.

EDITED: In the City Centre and the Eccles line beyond Pomona, it's white tram signals interlocked with traffic lights. Outside the city centre it's colour lights.

Also, the system is called the "Metrolink", not Tramlink.
The white tram signals only provide signalling in relation to avoiding conflicting flows with other traffic - they don't provide any separation between trams. The Bury and Altrincham lines use automatic two-aspect colour lights, the Eccles and South Manchester lines work on line-of-sight principles - and I believe the plan is to make the Bury and Altrincham lines line-of-sight as well when they (eventually) roll out the new Tram Management System.

Hagside level crossing (near Bury) has a crossing box but I think it's now CCTV-controlled. There are two more level crossings near Navigation Road but I believe they both belong to Network Rail because the Stockport-Altrincham line also runs over them.

So seeing as a Metrolink sim would probably consist entirely of answering the phone to hacked-off passengers when the service falls over yet again, I don't think you'll be seeing one any time soon
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 17:14 #27965
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3922 posts 		" said:
Hagside level crossing (near Bury) has a crossing box but I think it's now CCTV-controlled. ere are two more level crossings near Navigation Road but I believe they both belong to Network Rail because the Stockport-Altrincham line also runs over them.

According to Trackmaps, Hagside is CCTV. Apparently, there is a Metrolink/Network Rail boundry 11 chains south of Timperly, where I assume control is handed over to Deansgate Junction signalbox.
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The Bury and Altrincham lines use automatic two-aspect colour lights, the Eccles and South Manchester lines work on line-of-sight principles - and I believe the plan is to make the Bury and Altrincham lines line-of-sight as well when they (eventually) roll out the new Tram Management System.

Does this mean that trams will not be separated at all? Sounds a bit daft for the Bury/Altrincham lines where the speed limit is 50mph. I suppose the speed limit would be lowered, with the knock-on effect of increasing journey times?
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 17:15 #27966
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359 posts 		Is Liverpool Metro auto i don't think it is because i think I've seen a video
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 17:33 #27968
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5360 posts 		" said:
Is Liverpool Metro auto i don't think it is because i think I've seen a video
Do you mean Mersyrail? Of so it's controlled by Sandhills IECC and is on the "can't do" list.

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Re: London Underground and Manchester Tramlink 22/01/2012 at 17:39 #27970
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359 posts 		" said:
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Is Liverpool Metro auto i don't think it is because i think I've seen a video
Do you mean Mersyrail? Of so it's controlled by Sandhills IECC and is on the "can't do" list.

Peter
Sorry didn't see that on list before i posted :blush:
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 18:03 #27973
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310 posts 		" said:
Does this mean that trams will not be separated at all? Sounds a bit daft for the Bury/Altrincham lines where the speed limit is 50mph. I suppose the speed limit would be lowered, with the knock-on effect of increasing journey times?
Presumably so, certainly around tunnels and blind bends. I can't find a reliable source for it right now, but there's been talk about it for some time on the uk.railway Usenet group and on the various Metrolink threads on SkyscraperCity.
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 18:10 #27974
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3629 posts 		theres no seperation of trams in sheffield, except in the city centre due to traffic lights and road crossings, the line from nunnery to meadowhall is mostly 40mph drive on sight throughout
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 18:14 #27975
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88 posts 		Croydon Tramlink runs on Line of Sight at up to 50mph. Those trams can stop a lot quicker than a train and probably quicker than a bus as well, but don't quote me on that.
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 18:23 #27976
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359 posts 		" said:
Croydon Tramlink runs on Line of Sight at up to 50mph. Those trams can stop a lot quicker than a train and probably quicker than a bus as well, but don't quote me on that.
What about Blackpool trams, that's if anyone knows
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 18:40 #27980
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3629 posts 		the system is AFAIK drive on sight, on the basis...they dont really go fast enough to warrant full block signalling!
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Re: London Underground and Manchester Metrolink 22/01/2012 at 19:37 #27983
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What about Blackpool trams, that's if anyone knows

Line-of-Sight, although they've recently installed point indicators and (I assume) point motors (they were previously operated by a bloke and a stick). They've also put some tram bar signals in at some level crossings- in the past I think trams were signalled by normal traffic lights!

jc92 said:
the system is AFAIK drive on sight, on the basis...they dont really go fast enough to warrant full block signalling!

They are speeding up- apparently as part of the upgrade, about 1/2 the stops have been removed (so they now stop at every other gas lamp), and they've re-laid a good proportion of the track.
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
Last edited: 22/01/2012 at 19:37 by Steamer
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