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| 1V95 Help? 14/07/2011 at 22:55 #3404 | |
phil8715
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Not sure if it's a bug but I am trying to route 1V95 but when I go to Hackney Sidings the train doesn't show up on the panel. Am I missing something? Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 14/07/2011 at 22:55 #17665 | |
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phil8715
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Not sure if it's a bug but I am trying to route 1V95 but when I go to Hackney Sidings the train doesn't show up on the panel. Am I missing something? Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 14/07/2011 at 23:03 #17666 | |
postal
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Bit difficult to answer from the information given. Which timetable? Which panel? “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 14/07/2011 at 23:31 #17669 | |
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phil8715
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Newton Abbot Panel 1 I get a call from the shunter I set what i think is the correct route, and then get another call from the driver saying the route is incorrect. The Timetable is Exeter 1985 v3.11 Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 14/07/2011 at 23:34 #17671 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Just found 1V951 in the timetable mentioned. Seems to think it is being routed onto a goods line. [added] Unfortunately you will be hit by a 3 point penalty but as you're only at the start of the timetable, the damage to the percentage score will soon be recovered. Hope this helps. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 14/07/2011 at 23:49 #17674 | |
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phil8715
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Cheers i'll try it.
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| 1V95 Help? 14/07/2011 at 23:51 #17675 | |
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postal
5190 posts |
Two parts to the answer. Firstly, there are many entry points on many of the sims where the train ID is not entered automatically. Once you as the signaller have received the message about entry of the train, you have to enter the train description (TD) in the relevant berth (right click on the signals along the path till you find one where you can insert the TD). Secondly, and picking up from UKTM, this is not a bug, more the way that SimSig is configured. You can only inject a train into a simulation at a few designated points, so when you are starting a sim at say 00:00 you have to find a way to put all of the trains that would be on the real railway at that time into the program. For example, if you have a train that is timetabled to be en route between Exeter and Newton Abbot at 00:00, you have to find one of the designated entry points where you can inject the train into the program at the right time. Hackney Sidings is the entry point selected by the timetable writer in this case. Another part of the realism of SimSig is that you can only run trains on lines for which they are authorised. There are many of the loops and sidings in SimSig which are not sanctioned for passenger use in the real railway and this is reflected in SimSig. In the real world, you can run passenger trains over goods lines under tightly controlled conditions and this is reflected in SimSig by the need to consciously accept the routing by a normally illegitimate path. It is something not peculiar to the Exeter sim and is not a bug in that it is not unexpected behaviour due to a gap in the code. Once you get 1V951 out onto the main line everything should be hunky-dory. Hope that helps you as you start the long day on the 1985 TT! “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 15/07/2011 at 00:03 #17678 | |
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AndyG
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I'm not 100% sure, but try ticking 'use freight line-speeds' in train characteristics of that seed train TT, if you're fussed about the score.
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| 1V95 Help? 15/07/2011 at 01:03 #17679 | |
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UKTrainMan
1803 posts |
AndyG said:I'm not 100% sure, but try ticking 'use freight line-speeds' in train characteristics of that seed train TT, if you're fussed about the score.Have my doubts that would work, personally. Suspect the bug is triggered by the headcode being a 'passenger-carrying train headcode' (i.e: Class 1 or Class 2). However, good news is that Exeter and the other great western simulations are currently being refreshed so hopefully we should soon see the back of this bug! 
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| 1V95 Help? 15/07/2011 at 07:05 #17685 | |
Meld
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AndyG said:I'm not 100% sure, but try ticking 'use freight line-speeds' in train characteristics of that seed train TT, if you're fussed about the score.Or you can duplicate 1V951 and recode this as 5V951 in the timetable then delete all its calling points after Newton Abbot and give ths train a next working of 1V951. Then with 1V951's original timetable remove the Entry point and time as well as its Newton Abbot arrival time Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 15/07/2011 at 08:02 #17689 | |
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Late Turn
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UKTrainMan said:Have my doubts that would work, personally. Suspect the bug is triggered by the headcode being a 'passenger-carrying train headcode' (i.e: Class 1 or Class 2). I'm not so sure about that either - it may well be how Simsig determines whether it's a passenger train for the purposes of complaining about a wrong route, but there are a few potentially non-passenger Class 1 and Class 2 workings knocking around - for example postals, 1Z99 or 2Z99! Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 15/07/2011 at 08:29 #17691 | |
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mfcooper
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UKTM - it's not a bug, as postal said above. It's a limiting factor in the SimSig programming. If the TT writer can find an alternative entry point, then maybe this situation could be avoided.
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| 1V95 Help? 15/07/2011 at 09:44 #17694 | |
Peter Bennet
5360 posts |
There is a solution and that's not to code the entry sub-route as goods line- which is what I've done in other Sims when the point was raised. It's a reasonable compromise as the user has no choice over the matter. I'll need to check if I've done this on Exeter (and others). Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 15/07/2011 at 11:13 #17697 | |
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AndyG
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UKTrainMan said:AndyG said:I'm now 100% sure, having run a test (on S Humberside), as follows: a) Train 1A00 enters Frodingham Depot, calls wrong route onto goods line on entry; b) same TT, but with 'use freight linespeeds' ticked, train enters and runs onto mainline without hesitation{, deviation or repetition}. Note these caveats: 1) depends on age of sim, older ones won't call in wrong route onto goods line anyway, latest sims may cater for seed trains by the developer. 2) some latest sims may have core code that allows this automatically. This option should cater for both passenger seed train entering onto a goods line, and Cl1 postal/specials etc trains that need to run over goods lines too. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| 1V95 Help? 15/07/2011 at 11:19 #17699 | |
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Peter Bennet
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Somewhere I've seen a matrix of Train classes and FRT=true and how they are treated. From memory a Class 9 with FRT=false is a passenger train (Cross Country) and FRT=true is a unfitted freight- similar for Class 1s if you have a charter. But that's slightly different from the immediate problem of seeded trains. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Re: 1V95 Help? 21/07/2011 at 12:40 #18084 | |
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clive
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" said:Somewhere I've seen a matrix of Train classes and FRT=true and how they are treated.Passenger: class 1, 2, or 9 with FRT=F Excursion: class 1 or 2 with FRT=T ECS: class 0, 3, or unclassified with FRT=F, all class 5 Loco: class 0 with FRT=T Goods: class 9 or unclassified with FRT=T, all class 4, 6, 7, or 8 (Class n means that the ID begins with n. Unclassified means the ID doesn't begin with a digit.) The goods line penalty only applies to passenger trains. Passenger and excursion trains can't enter early and get wrong-platform penalties. Timing penalties are different for the different classes. Log in to reply |