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| Down Carriage Shed, signal 66 30/10/2012 at 18:41 #37052 | |
Andypops
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Dear all, After graduating through Liverpool Lime Street and Gloucester simulations, I decided to try to give Euston a go. I know it usually takes me a few hours to work out signal and feature positions etc, but I am quite familiar with the SimSig interface in general. I'm happy with route-setting using the via buttons, although the way that signals don't tend to clear manually on Euston has been a touch annoying at times! I am having problems with the down carriage shed. On the version I have (v1), using 2003 timetable and 1990s era in the start selection, I cannot get anything into or out of the Down Catriage Shed on 1-9 or 10-11. My first problem is that I have no signals indicated on my display, just the numbers of the signal. The only lever frames which I can see are the up and down goods yards. Without clicking on the signals, I don't know how I can route the trains! I've tried looking up the route tables, and I know that these signals have caused issues for a few other users. I believe that to set a route into DCS 1-9, I need to set the route between 68, 66 and the grey arrow, followed by 81 to 68. However, when I try this signal 81 does not clear. In reverse, a train entering from DCS 1-9 waiting at signal 66, I've tried to route 66-68-88, 66-68-73-88, and 68-88 followed by 66-68, but I simply can't get the train to move. I do occasionally have the message "no route between selected signals", so I must be doing something! And in addition, I have tried to use the "Emergency set back signals" button to clear any incorrect routes before trying these signal combinations, and also tried after clearing, and after having requested the relevant token (although I'd be obliged if anyone can explain these, in laymans terms, to me! Can anyone help me with this problem, as it's the only part of this sim which I can't master! And since the starting time is 0300, there are quite a lot of ECS moves to / from the sheds! Otherwise, thanks to all the dev team, and all the best, Andy Log in to reply |
| Down Carriage Shed, signal 66 30/10/2012 at 19:01 #37054 | |
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John
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" said:My first problem is that I have no signals indicated on my display, just the numbers of the signal.Do you have the Show all shunt signals box ticked under F3 > Display? Log in to reply |
| Down Carriage Shed, signal 66 30/10/2012 at 19:06 #37055 | |
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John
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" said:I believe that to set a route into DCS 1-9, I need to set the route between 68, 66 and the grey arrow, followed by 81 to 68. However, when I try this signal 81 does not clear.If you want to route a train from, say 81 to DCS 1-9 you must first request a slot, then when the slot is granted, go 69 to the grey arrow, then 81 to 69 Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
| Down Carriage Shed, signal 66 30/10/2012 at 19:12 #37056 | |
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John
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" said:In reverse, a train entering from DCS 1-9 waiting at signal 66, I've tried to route 66-68-88, 66-68-73-88, and 68-88 followed by 66-68, but I simply can't get the train to move.The possible routes from DCS 1-9 to 88 are 66-68-88 or 66-73-88. It works ok for me, not sure why you're having problems. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Andypops |
| Down Carriage Shed, signal 66 30/10/2012 at 19:16 #37057 | |
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John
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" said:In reverse, a train entering from DCS 1-9 waiting at signal 66, I've tried to route 66-68-88, 66-68-73-88, and 68-88 followed by 66-68, but I simply can't get the train to move.The possible routes from DCS 1-9 to 88 are 66-68-88 or 66-73-88. It works ok for me, not sure why you're having problems. Make sure you have a good read through the sim manual. http://www.davros.org/rail/SimSig/euston-manual.html Last edited: 30/10/2012 at 19:17 by John Log in to reply |
| Down Carriage Shed, signal 66 30/10/2012 at 19:17 #37058 | |
Steamer
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Andypops said:although the way that signals don't tend to clear manually on Euston has been a touch annoying at times! TORR (Train Operated Route Release) is optional on Euston. When you start a new simulation, you have to tick the box in the 'simulation options' tab. Andypops said: My first problem is that I have no signals indicated on my display, just the numbers of the signalF3>'Display' tab>tick the box marked 'show all shunt signals', and the relevant signals should appear. Andypops said: after having requested the relevant token (although I'd be obliged if anyone can explain these, in laymans terms, to me!They're not tokens, they're slots. Essentially, when the signalman wants to send a train into the sidings, he requests a 'slot' from the siding controller. When the siding controller (generic name, there are various titles depending on the location) has set all the points in the sidings correctly for the incoming train, he grants the slot to the signalman, allowing the signalman to set a route into the sidings, and the train to enter. On SimSig, the slot button will flash white when a slot is being requested, and show steady white when granted. Tokens are used as a method of preventing head-on collisions on a single line (there are other methods, including slots, which are used on modern installations). At the signalbox at each end of the line, there is a machine containing tokens. A driver must not take his train onto the single line without a token, and the machines are designed such that only one token can be removed at once, thus ensuring that only one train can be on the single line at once. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Andypops |
| Down Carriage Shed, signal 66 30/10/2012 at 21:52 #37065 | |
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Andypops
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Thanks for your comments steamer and John, they're really useful. I hadnt selected either the train controlled route release option, nor the show shunt signals, so that's obv why I'm having problems this time around. The guide / manuals were good, but I obviously missed the important setup parts when I read / re-read them - I'll make sure I turn TORR on now! I'll give it a go in the morning (SimSig is my guilty pleasure during my commute - I've only had it recognised as a signalling sim by a guard once though!), and hopefully it'll all be resolved. The detail of tokens / slots is very interesting - I'll read up on it. In real life, I've been commuting for over 2 years, and I've just started to notice things like "Huddersfield Control" in action (I.E. calling- on signal prevented when a train is occupyig a section) - which shows how the sim closely matches the real thing! I don't usually encounter any single line sections - hence why I didn't know about slots / tokens. Thanks again for the speedy and helpful responses. All the very best, Andy Log in to reply |
| Down Carriage Shed, signal 66 18/03/2013 at 18:34 #42429 | |
ajax103
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" said:" said:I was trying to work out why I couldn't set a route for this, least you've answered my queryI believe that to set a route into DCS 1-9, I need to set the route between 68, 66 and the grey arrow, followed by 81 to 68. However, when I try this signal 81 does not clear.If you want to route a train from, say 81 to DCS 1-9 you must first request a slot, then when the slot is granted, go 69 to the grey arrow, then 81 to 69 
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