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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 18:42 #37589
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For those of you playing the 1979-1980 timetable, just a couple of items to bring your attention to:-
1. 6L12 Kingmoor - Carnforth ballast trip. This train if running to time should be signaled out of Upperby Through Goods line behind 1M13 & then regulated inside Plumpton loop for 1M10 & 1M11 to pass before proceeding forward. There maybe a need to regulate 6L12 at Shap Loop also to allow other trains to pass.
2. Any trains that do not have platforms allocated to them for there stop at Carlisle means that the signaler has to use whatever platforms are free at the time tyhe train is booked to call. This mainly refers to trains that are from the Special Traffic Notice or show as [STN] in the train description.

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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 19:28 #37590
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Where can I find this timetable?
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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 19:30 #37591
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It's included with the Carlisle sim when you download it.
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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 19:36 #37592
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The one I downloaded has no timetable.
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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 19:39 #37593
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Well mine did. Try installing it again or downloading it again. I know the timetable is in there as I have it.
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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 19:45 #37594
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The one I downloaded has no timetable.
Have a look in Options (F3), under the "Control" tab. If "Use Public Documents folder" is ticked, untick it and reload sim. Included timetables should then appear.

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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 21:48 #37597
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Whilst currently playing on the multiplayer session of Carlisle running the 1979-1980 timetable 0Z01 LD move from Kingmoor Depot - Workington failed to remove itself from the sim at Wigton. As a result 6T57 'CUMBRIAN TRIP' got stopped behind it on the Up M&C line with 2P59 behind 6T57. Never come across this in all the testing I did of the sim & likewise whilst writing & testing this timetable. If anyone else has the same problem can you please post here. The timetable currently being run is Monday.
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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 22:11 #37599
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yes, had this problem also
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1979-1980 timetable 17/11/2012 at 23:25 #37603
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I think for the time being the way round this issue with train coming to a stand at Wigton on the Up M&C is to abandon the tt to keep them moving so they exit the sim.
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1979-1980 timetable 18/11/2012 at 10:49 #37626
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I've had this with the October 2009 TT as well; every train terminates at Wigton and will go no further.
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1979-1980 timetable 18/11/2012 at 11:00 #37628
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Yes, it's a sim issue rather than a WTT issue.

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1979-1980 timetable 05/01/2013 at 15:47 #40235
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread but am having this problem with trains failing to depert the sim at Wigton. I currently have 4P01 stood there which was supposed to pass it without stopping. My question is really to Tom; are you going to release an updated version of the sim with this fault corrected? And if you do will you please ensure that the news of the update is on the 'cover' home page of Simsig so that I and everyone else is aware. Thank you very much Tom in anticipation.

It is a REALLY GREAT sim btw, love it to pieces. :cheer:

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1979-1980 timetable 05/01/2013 at 16:00 #40236
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Yes,
It has already been fixed. There are some other issues I want to resolve before re-releasing though.

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1979-1980 timetable 08/01/2013 at 20:15 #40341
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OK, here's one for you. I don't know if this is a Carlisle issue, a TT issue, or a general Simsig issue. Either way, I can't find anything else about it on the forum, so I'll mention it here.

I'm playing the 79/80 TT and I'm up to 23:00. However, back at around 20.00 I happened to hit F5, and noticed that the number of minutes I had lost was around 68,000. That's 47 days! I accidentally closed the window, and so I hit F5 again. I had lost another five minutes. I closed it and immediately re-opened again. Another five minutes gone. And so on.

It is now 23:00, and I have lost a total of 125,920 minutes, and it is going up by five minutes every second. I don't think this problem has been happening from the start TT, as I have calculated that at the current rate I would have lost 444,000 minutes since it 00:00.

I can't see anything that might be causing this interesting anomaly, but I'm on for over 150,000 minutes lost before the end of the TT.

Any ideas what is causing this?

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1979-1980 timetable 08/01/2013 at 20:37 #40343
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OK, here's one for you. I don't know if this is a Carlisle issue, a TT issue, or a general Simsig issue. Either way, I can't find anything else about it on the forum, so I'll mention it here.

I'm playing the 79/80 TT and I'm up to 23:00. However, back at around 20.00 I happened to hit F5, and noticed that the number of minutes I had lost was around 68,000. That's 47 days! I accidentally closed the window, and so I hit F5 again. I had lost another five minutes. I closed it and immediately re-opened again. Another five minutes gone. And so on.

It is now 23:00, and I have lost a total of 125,920 minutes, and it is going up by five minutes every second. I don't think this problem has been happening from the start TT, as I have calculated that at the current rate I would have lost 444,000 minutes since it 00:00.

I can't see anything that might be causing this interesting anomaly, but I'm on for over 150,000 minutes lost before the end of the TT.

Any ideas what is causing this?
I'm sure this is to do with trains that have an entry time of "00:00" and enter the sim based on rules.

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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 13:04 #40590
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Hi all, Sorry to bring this up again but as I am most of the way through the '79/'80 TT I would just like to mention the delay minutes and an observation I made. I was aware of the issue and kept checking the minutes lost a few times during the 'sim day' to see what was happening and most of he time the delay minutes were not too out of the ordinary considering the delays I caused along the way.
Anyhoooo...the delays seemed to accelerated alarmingly after the termination of 5T09C in P8 at around 16:00 or so. The delay minutes went from a few hundred to many thousands very quickly.
To test, I removed 5T09C from the sim and the increase of minutes stopped at around 88992 minutes lost. When I removed it the sim time was around 19:00 or so. It may be that in the timetable for 5T09C there is a departure time of 16:05 listed when in fact the train does not go anywhere after that so it may be that this entry needs to be changed to reflect the end of its timetabled work.

Of course it may have nothing to do with anything, I am just mentioning this here as it may help someone. I appreciate It may have been mentioned and remedied already.

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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 14:17 #40591
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My solution has been to create a new station pilot movement that comes out of Wapping, reverses at the north LOS, couples onto 5T09C and propels it back into Wapping. That way you don't have to remove it.
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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 14:50 #40592
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OK, here's one for you. I don't know if this is a Carlisle issue, a TT issue, or a general Simsig issue. Either way, I can't find anything else about it on the forum, so I'll mention it here.

I'm playing the 79/80 TT and I'm up to 23:00. However, back at around 20.00 I happened to hit F5, and noticed that the number of minutes I had lost was around 68,000. That's 47 days! I accidentally closed the window, and so I hit F5 again. I had lost another five minutes. I closed it and immediately re-opened again. Another five minutes gone. And so on.

It is now 23:00, and I have lost a total of 125,920 minutes, and it is going up by five minutes every second. I don't think this problem has been happening from the start TT, as I have calculated that at the current rate I would have lost 444,000 minutes since it 00:00.

I can't see anything that might be causing this interesting anomaly, but I'm on for over 150,000 minutes lost before the end of the TT.

Any ideas what is causing this?
I'm sure this is to do with trains that have an entry time of "00:00" and enter the sim based on rules.
More to do with trains having a "conventional" entry time, eg 01:15, then proceeding on 00:00 timings (each of which would be considered to over 75 mins late.

this all assumes of course you are playing for points, rather than just going through the timetable and enjoying it, hence why it has never really been flagged as an issue in testing of the timetable

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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 14:57 #40593
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I don't tend to play for points. I'm more than happy to send a train on a "diversionary" route, or put one into a wrong platform to get round a problem. I draw the line at removing trains though, unless I've done something really stupid and there's no way out.
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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 16:26 #40595
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My solution has been to create a new station pilot movement that comes out of Wapping, reverses at the north LOS, couples onto 5T09C and propels it back into Wapping. That way you don't have to remove it.
Presumably then you will have to create another movement to bring the sleepers back out of Wapping and into P8 by about 21:45 so that the advertised timetable commitment can be met and passengers can occupy their berths long before the sleepers are shunted onto the back of 1M13.

And you wouldn't want a Gronk thumping away for 3 hours next to your berth so that will then have to go back to Wapping

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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 17:50 #40599
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My solution has been to create a new station pilot movement that comes out of Wapping, reverses at the north LOS, couples onto 5T09C and propels it back into Wapping. That way you don't have to remove it.
Presumably then you will have to create another movement to bring the sleepers back out of Wapping and into P8 by about 21:45 so that the advertised timetable commitment can be met and passengers can occupy their berths long before the sleepers are shunted onto the back of 1M13.

And you wouldn't want a Gronk thumping away for 3 hours next to your berth so that will then have to go back to Wapping :laugh:
Well, for realism I suppose one would have to do that, yes! Now I have to go and do it now you've said it ...

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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 20:54 #40605
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Why not just edit the TT, via F4 and/or F2, to a much later time?
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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 21:41 #40612
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Because you'd have to do it every time you run the TT. So if you have an edited copy, you can play whichever you want.

What I did at first was to edit 5T09C so that instead of coming out of SB and into P8, it came out of SB and into Wapping. It then re-emerged at 21:30, in time to be in P8 for the aforementioned 21:45 advertisement. The only trouble then is the noise issue with a pilot engine chuntering away behind the coaches. So you'd want to detach it. But if you do that, you end up with the same problem that you'd have if the TT had run to plan, with the pilot dropping off at 16:05.

So surely the driver of the 08 would just shut the engine down on arrival in P8, as the coaches are booked to sit in the platform with no engine anyway. But then if you do that you may as well just leave the TT as it is, with the exception that you remove the DER of CSTPM from the TT of 5T09C, and assume that the driver simply shuts the 08's engine down.

You would then have to change the TT of CSTPM so it enters somewhere (Wapping/Colliers/Upperby) to fulfil the duty of coupling to 5S81 in SB.

In summary, I think what you're trying to avoid is detaching the loco from 5T09C and leaving the coaches in P8 with no engine for the remainder of the TT. Am I on the right lines with this?

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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 21:50 #40613
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Well let me say this. When I first wrote this timetable it was done slightly differently to what you see in the timetable you get with the sim. But because of the amount of time Simsig takes to detach & join(4 mins for each) it was impossible to get 1M13 away right time. After alot of jiggery-pokery by AndyG at that time resulted in what you've got now, which by & large seems to work OK as far as I'm concerned. If you wish to alter things then thats entirely up to you. Personally I'm happey with the timetable the way it is & see no need to edit anything.
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1979-1980 timetable 15/01/2013 at 22:37 #40617
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I'm more than happy to run the TT as it was written. I should point out that I have only edited it to see if leaving the loco attached to 5T09C stops the mystery of the lost time. Whichever way the experiment goes, I will continue to play the original TT.

I did complete the TT for the first time the other day, and despite losing almost 175,000 minutes I still managed 78%, which I thought was quite good, as I had numerous wrong routes (mostly trains which I assumed were going to Rome Street Junction instead of through the station) and a couple of removed trains due to brain-fade at Upperby.

I am now going to try again, with the aim of not setting any wrong routes!

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