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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 16:57 #44280
jwsetford
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Just a few request for welsh sims;

Cardiff
Carmarthen
Newport
Severn tunnel junction
Swansea

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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 18:13 #44283
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If you go down the topics in this section of the Forum you'll find that nearly all of your suggestions have already been discussed at some length and the consensus is that they would all make good sims. Unless there are any already in development, I wouldn't hold your breath as the average sim takes about 4 years of work from a developer before it is of a suitable standard for release.

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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 18:16 #44284
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Severn Tunnel Junction is part of Newport, and Swansea is Port Talbot Panel.

Looking at the diagrams for Port Talbot, and its twenty-nine interlockings, that would be a very large sim.

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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 18:36 #44286
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" said:
Severn Tunnel Junction is part of Newport
Also, Newport SC was closed down in stages between January 2010 and October 2012, and the area it used to control is now part of the South Wales Control Centre, which is on the List of areas that cannot be simulated.

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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 19:00 #44287
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Newport Panel has now been demolished - in March I believe.

There were significant layout alterations at several places that the old Newport Panel used to control, Severn Tunnel being one of them.

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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 19:43 #44289
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" said:
List of areas that cannot be simulated.
by Geoff

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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 20:48 #44291
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" said:
by Geoff
True, however if it also says this on the Conflict of Interest page:

The Wiki said:
Geoff very sensibly takes the view that, although there is the potential to work right up to the boundaries, he wishes to keep a clear margin so there can be no possibility of problems arising.

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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 21:16 #44293
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StephenFulcher said:
There were significant layout alterations
Candidate for understatement of the year in the case of Severn Tunnel Junction!

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Welsh simsig 03/05/2013 at 22:30 #44295
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List of areas that cannot be simulated.
by Geoff

By "SimSig" which is why I can't do Yoker.

Though older layouts might be possible in certain circumstances.

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Welsh simsig 04/05/2013 at 00:08 #44296
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List of areas that cannot be simulated.
by Geoff

By "SimSig" which is why I can't do Yoker.
If that is actually the case, it's probably an idea to change the statement on the wiki to say that, seeing as some always brings up the "well, as long as it isn't Geoff..." angle.

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Welsh simsig 04/05/2013 at 09:33 #44301
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List of areas that cannot be simulated.
by Geoff

By "SimSig" which is why I can't do Yoker.
If that is actually the case, it's probably an idea to change the statement on the wiki to say that, seeing as some always brings up the "well, as long as it isn't Geoff..." angle.
Done.

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Welsh simsig 04/05/2013 at 11:01 #44304
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List of areas that cannot be simulated.
by Geoff

By "SimSig" which is why I can't do Yoker.
If that is actually the case, it's probably an idea to change the statement on the wiki to say that, seeing as some always brings up the "well, as long as it isn't Geoff..." angle.
Done.
I was actually after a bit more confirmation from the devs/Geoff before editing (otherwise I would have done it myself), but oh well!

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Welsh simsig 04/05/2013 at 11:10 #44305
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There is one positive aspect for those of us who prefer playing hertiage timetables instead of the 'modern' era ones & that is the posibility of these sims on the banned list due to conflict of interests maybe done on the basis of the older layouts being produced as sims nefore the involvement of 'TRESIM' & as a result timetables based on British Rail era only. Which for me gets thumbs up.
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Welsh simsig 15/08/2013 at 12:04 #48423
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Perhaps a note of hope for those who feel a little disappointed that their favourite signalling area(s) can't be done for the said contractual reasons (which I totally understand and agree with) nevertheless, Marylebone IECC was firmly on the list of "never-never" sims less than a couple of years ago and yet look what we have now... Marylebone IECC sim released AND which includes some proposed future additions!

To (mis)quote a certain James Bond film title... "Never Say Never..."! Who knows what the future will bring? It brought us Marylebone IECC!

(daydream mode on) Wouldn't it be wonderful to have say Oxford-Leamington sim which could chain with Marylebone. Now THAT would be a real monster of a sim! (daydream mode off)

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Welsh simsig 15/08/2013 at 14:13 #48426
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" said:
Perhaps a note of hope for those who feel a little disappointed that their favourite signalling area(s) can't be done for the said contractual reasons (which I totally understand and agree with) nevertheless, Marylebone IECC was firmly on the list of "never-never" sims less than a couple of years ago and yet look what we have now... Marylebone IECC sim released AND which includes some proposed future additions!

To (mis)quote a certain James Bond film title... "Never Say Never..."! Who knows what the future will bring? It brought us Marylebone IECC!

(daydream mode on) Wouldn't it be wonderful to have say Oxford-Leamington sim which could chain with Marylebone. Now THAT would be a real monster of a sim! (daydream mode off)
Leamington & Oxford in one sim? Might struggle with that as Banbury sits between them which is on Marylebone. Perhaps a Leamington Spa & Fenny Compton sim, that would bridge the gap between Marylebone and Saltley.

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Welsh simsig 30/12/2016 at 22:14 #91189
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we need a welsh sim please
why not model Cardiff or Newport
or as it is now the SWCC

please please

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Welsh simsig 30/12/2016 at 22:20 #91190
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arrivatw in post 91189 said:
we need a welsh sim please
why not model Cardiff or Newport
or as it is now the SWCC

please please
Erm....

Please see link for details

But we do already have North Wales Coast, North East Wales, and Llangollen which are all Welsh sims.

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Welsh simsig 31/12/2016 at 11:07 #91193
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Stephen Fulcher in post 44284 said:
Severn Tunnel Junction is part of Newport, and Swansea is Port Talbot Panel.

Looking at the diagrams for Port Talbot, and its twenty-nine interlockings, that would be a very large sim.

Indeed, although I had no idea it had so many interlockings. How many route miles does Port Talbot PSB have control over? AFAIK the boundaries are Llantrisant / Llanharran (on the main line), Cowbridge Road (VoG line), Llynfi Jcn & Margam Abbey Works East Jcn (fringes to Tondu, which could also be included as an afterthought), Jersey Marine South Jcn (fringe to Neath & Brecon Jcn), just south of Pantyffynon (fringe to the station of the same name) and the boundary with Pembrey & Bury Port. It does, of course, also have the "back route" from near Llansawel to Morlais Jcn whwere it links in with the Heart of Wales line.

Dave

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Welsh simsig 31/12/2016 at 11:23 #91194
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DaveHarries in post 91193 said:
Stephen Fulcher in post 44284 said:
Severn Tunnel Junction is part of Newport, and Swansea is Port Talbot Panel.

Looking at the diagrams for Port Talbot, and its twenty-nine interlockings, that would be a very large sim.

Indeed, although I had no idea it had so many interlockings. How many route miles does Port Talbot PSB have control over? AFAIK the boundaries are Llantrisant / Llanharran (on the main line), Cowbridge Road (VoG line), Llynfi Jcn & Margam Abbey Works East Jcn (fringes to Tondu, which could also be included as an afterthought), Jersey Marine South Jcn (fringe to Neath & Brecon Jcn), just south of Pantyffynon (fringe to the station of the same name) and the boundary with Pembrey & Bury Port. It does, of course, also have the "back route" from near Llansawel to Morlais Jcn whwere it links in with the Heart of Wales line.

Dave
32 miles Llanharan- Swansea
11 miles Swansea- Llanelli
15 miles Swansea District (Britton Ferry- Llandelio Jn)

58 miles of 'main line', plus the connections to Vale of Glamorgan and Maesteg branch at Bridgend, assorted bits of the freight lines around Margam, freight branches off the Swansea District and a very short section at the southern end of the Heart of Wales. The fringes are pretty much as you state above.

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Welsh simsig 31/12/2016 at 12:33 #91195
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Port Talbot has a lot of interlockings because while the route mileage is low, it is also very complex.

E10k Relay Interlockings aren't small things, there is a definite tipping point at which it's more practical to have two smaller interlockings than one large.

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Welsh simsig 31/12/2016 at 13:01 #91196
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Cheers for the info James.

Steamer in post 91194 said:
32 miles Llanharan- Swansea
11 miles Swansea- Llanelli
15 miles Swansea District (Britton Ferry- Llandelio Jn)

58 miles of 'main line', plus the connections to Vale of Glamorgan and Maesteg branch at Bridgend, assorted bits of the freight lines around Margam, freight branches off the Swansea District and a very short section at the southern end of the Heart of Wales. The fringes are pretty much as you state above.
Thanks for that Steamer. I got the fringes from the "Block" tab of this page:
http://www.signallingnotices.org.uk/signalbox_detail.php?sb=33&c=&l=P

Would make a good sim though if anyone ever goes ahead and decides to develop it.

Dave

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Welsh simsig 31/12/2016 at 18:53 #91215
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JamesN in post 91195 said:
Port Talbot has a lot of interlockings because while the route mileage is low, it is also very complex.

E10k Relay Interlockings aren't small things, there is a definite tipping point at which it's more practical to have two smaller interlockings than one large.
29 I believe, although some of them shared remote control systems between more than one.

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