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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 11:59 #47725
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I am trying to create a timetable for Waterloo, but am unable to find a list of TIPLOCs anywhere.
Does anyone have a list of tiplocs I can use?
Thanks in Advance

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 12:05 #47726
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" said:
I am trying to create a timetable for Waterloo, but am unable to find a list of TIPLOCs anywhere.
Does anyone have a list of tiplocs I can use?
Thanks in Advance
Phil Deaves' web-site may supply the information you want.

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 12:08 #47727
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I don't think Waterloo Sim uses official tiplocs, it's old code.

I can post a list later on.

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 12:27 #47730
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If Waterloo doesn't use TIPLOCs then how am I supposed to create a TT?
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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 13:15 #47732
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Without knowing exactly what you are trying to do and how I can't answer definatively answer that point.

However:
If you are trying to automate the process by converting an official file then you can't.

If you are trying to create a Timetable using the in-built editor then you don't need the TIPLOC save to interpret the data source (assuming it's written in TIPLOC) which will be a manual process.

If you are looking for the Sim location codes (generally TIPLOC these days) so you can use the Convdata method then I can let you have them this evening if I remember.

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 13:18 #47733
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In the same way as a lot of the TTs used in SimSig are created. Start the sim with no TT selected then go into F4 and start manually entering the train types and train TTs using the locations which the drop down boxes generate.

Beware that there are pitfalls in the way that the TT is saved. If you save a snapshot, edit the TT a bit more, save the TT then close down, the saved game does not retain the last batch of edits. If you then reload the saved game and save the TT after that you will overwrite your previous edits in the saved version of the TT.

Edit: Peter posted while I was typing. You also need to remember that currently Convdata will not convert TTs from .sim files as the data format is slightly different.

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 13:25 #47734
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Peter,
I am trying to create a TT for Waterloo Sim in a text editor, then use covdata to convert across, so would greatly appreciate a list of TIPLOCs to use for this.
Thanks Peter

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 14:12 #47735
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You could create a dummy train in the WTT editor using all the locations , save it and convert it using convdata.
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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 14:35 #47736
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If I did that I would get the 'no path between x and y' error
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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 14:43 #47737
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Just convdata any Waterloo timetable to text format - and you can use any sim to do so. It's not like there are hundreds of locations or entry points.
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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 15:32 #47741
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Doesn't give me TIPLOCs
I will quite happily just take peter's offer of getting the TIPLOCs off him later

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 16:07 #47743
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Doesn't give me TIPLOCs
I will quite happily just take peter's offer of getting the TIPLOCs off him later :)
I think you are making it all a little harder than it needs to be. I've just followed Geoff's advice and used Convdata to create a .txt file from the 17 Jan 2004.wtt. This shows the locations as recognised by the sim, be they TIPLOC or other. I've then taken that .txt file and used Convdata to create a new differently named .wtt file. This works fine on the sim so the locations as suggested by Geoff transfer back into .wtt format perfectly well.

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 16:43 #47748
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Peter,
I am trying to create a TT for Waterloo Sim in a text editor, then use covdata to convert across, so would greatly appreciate a list of TIPLOCs to use for this.
Thanks Peter :)
Further to Postal's remarks....

I am not sure how a list of TIPLOC codes helps other than if you need it to retrieve the TT information in the first place. As was already mentioned, the locations in the sim don't use TIPLOC codes. Your text file will need to use whatever location codes are in the sim as ConvData can ponly make use of codes that the sim already knows about.

If your TT data is by TIPLOC then you will need to manually convert the TIPLOC to the equivalent location code in the sim and use that in your text file. You can get the sims location codes, as was mentioned before, by converting an existing TT and extracting the location codes from it.

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 17:20 #47752
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Location codes
[table]
[tr]
[td]BARNES Barnes[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]CJML Clapham Jn (Main)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]CJWIN Clapham Jn (Windsor)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]CLAPYD Clapham Yard[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]CLAPYN Clapham Junction (North)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]EARLSFD Earlsfield[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]EASTPUT East Putney (LUL)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]INTJN International Junction[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]INTREV Sig 434(rev)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]LATCH Kensington Olmpia[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]LINFD Linford St Junction[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]LONGH Longhedge Junction[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]NINELMJ Nine Elms Junction[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]PUTNEY Putney[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]QTRDBAT Queenstown Road[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]VAUX Vauxhall[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]WANDS Wandsworth Town[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]WESTLON West London Junction[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]WIMB Wimbledon[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]WLOO Waterloo[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]WLOOCHS Waterloo CS[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]WLOOINT Waterloo International[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]WLOOREV Reverse Outside Waterloo[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


Entry codes
[table]
[tr]
[td]ECY457 Clapham Yard[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ELUL East Putney LUL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]EPARIS Linford St Junction[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ESHEEP Kensington[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]EUNDER Longhedge Junction[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]EUPMNF Up Main Fast Wimbledon[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]EUPMNS Up Main Slow Wimbledon[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]EWINFST Up Windsor Fast[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]EWINSLO Up Windsor Slow[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

It's not formatted very well but that's them.

I could add AKA code to allow the "real" TIPLOC to be recognised in future.

I think the confusion has arisen because, generally, these days the Sim labels for locations are the real TIPLOCs and for ease we can refer to the Sim LOCs as TIPLOCs but that is a misuse of a term of art.

Peter

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 17:34 #47753
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I can generate a LOC report for the WIKI in the correct format but I can't find the output file. I'll update the Wiki when I find it.

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Waterloo TIPLOCs 30/07/2013 at 20:18 #47758
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Done

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