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| accept route onto goods lines. 04/09/2013 at 17:51 #49138 | |
jc92
3630 posts |
currently in any sim, if a trains description begins with 1 or 2, it is considered to be a passenger carrying train and will not accept routes onto goods lines without calling up and questioning, and equally a penalty will be received for doing so. this can be avoided by using the "use freight linespeeds" box, however there is a slight drawback. say I have a mail/parcels/postal train running as a class 1. it can in reality be run on goods lines with no issues. to reproduce this in SimSig, I have to tick "use freight linespeeds" but it will do just that! eg on a line with a 90 over 70 speed limit, it would run at 70, rather than 90 which is incorrect. I would propose that two boxes are provided. one is the current box, the second is "Accept routes onto goods lines" which solely overrides trains accepting goods lines, but will allow them to retain their full "passenger" linespeed. examples of affected trains are test trains, eg the NMT, Postal, parcels, mail and newspaper trains running under class 1 headcodes. inspection saloon/officer specials. thoughts? "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following users said thank you: SPADmad, Steamer, Temple Meads, birchy74, Sam Tugwell, UKTrainMan |
| accept route onto goods lines. 04/09/2013 at 20:01 #49143 | |
SPADmad
104 posts |
Yeah - Id agree with that, especially if there is a queue of trains waiting behind it... I think it would be very useful! Log in to reply |
| accept route onto goods lines. 04/09/2013 at 21:12 #49145 | |
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Aurora
183 posts |
This would also be handy say with Carlisle where the main line is closed and all trains need to run through the Yard.
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| accept route onto goods lines. 04/09/2013 at 23:09 #49148 | |
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vontrapp
210 posts |
Passenger-trains should run at a lower speed over goods-lines.
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| accept route onto goods lines. 05/09/2013 at 00:46 #49150 | |
Temple Meads
307 posts |
You mention the NMT, but when a train is running under a "Q" headcode (as the NMT does when recording), it must be run on its booked route, so a diversion onto a freight line is not ideal, except in an absolute emergency. Top idea though! 
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| accept route onto goods lines. 05/09/2013 at 08:07 #49154 | |
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Late Turn
696 posts |
It is indeed a cracking idea, given the number of class 1 trains (including 1Z99  ) that might legitimately have cause to work over goods lines in normal operation. Even the various recording trains might be either booked to run over them whilst recording or for traffic purposes whilst in transit.It shouldn't be used for passenger trains diverted around a problem, as Aurora suggests - these still need to phone for authority to run over a goods line (in reality nowadays, they should be advised before the signal is cleared) as special arrangements usually need to be made. Finally, could vontrapp provide a reference to support the view that passenger trains should run at reduced speed over a goods line? It's not a requirement that I'm aware of! Tom Log in to reply |
| accept route onto goods lines. 05/09/2013 at 09:02 #49155 | |
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John
884 posts |
Certainly no mention of passenger trains having to run at reduced speed in section TS1/11 of the rule book
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| accept route onto goods lines. 05/09/2013 at 10:01 #49157 | |
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AndyG
1835 posts |
" said:Passenger-trains should run at a lower speed over goods-lines.Only as required by the relevant line speed as per Sectional Appendix. Authorised Passenger speed could be greater or lesser than the Freight speed. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| accept route onto goods lines. 05/09/2013 at 17:03 #49162 | |
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jc92
3630 posts |
" said:Passenger-trains should run at a lower speed over goods-lines. that's not what I'm getting at. the point I'm making is that it would run at goods speed limits on a passenger carrying line. " said: You mention the NMT, but when a train is running under a "Q" headcode (as the NMT does when recording), it must be run on its booked route, so a diversion onto a freight line is not ideal, except in an absolute emergency.what if the NMT is booked to test a goods line, or is booked to reverse/recess on a goods loop? "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| accept route onto goods lines. 05/09/2013 at 17:23 #49164 | |
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Sam Tugwell
493 posts |
+1 Joe
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| accept route onto goods lines. 07/09/2013 at 20:47 #49213 | |
pedroathome
889 posts |
I don't know if this could or would work, but when a driver calls in, if at a signal protecting a goods loop, have an reply saying something like expect a route onto a goods line or something. Also, if say on the path or platform options in the TT editor have a goods line selected, treat that as the planned route? Just my opinion here, not sure what others will think James Log in to reply |
| accept route onto goods lines. 11/09/2013 at 16:19 #49330 | |
flabberdacks
580 posts |
Or, a telephone response along the lines of 'Yes Driver, this is intended, proceed at reduced speed' which would then result in no penalty if selected?
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| accept route onto goods lines. 11/09/2013 at 16:49 #49333 | |
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Late Turn
696 posts |
" said:Also, if say on the path or platform options in the TT editor have a goods line selected, treat that as the planned route? I like that idea - if it's shown in the schedule as such, I suppose that's roughly equivalent to the arrangements for working passenger trains over goods lines having been published in reality...there's no need to advise drivers in that case. Should there be any sort of penalty for running over goods lines? As long as the necessary protection has been provided (in summary, anything in adjacent sidings secured, 'double block' to compensate for the lack of overlaps and trap points reversed before the train's allowed to approach the outlet signal) and Control's authority has been obtained (a little more difficult in Simsig), I'd suggest that the time penalty of the driver being stopped and advised, and usually the slower progress over a goods line, would be sufficient. No need, normally, to run at reduced speed - i.e. beyond the normal speed over the goods line - either. Tom Log in to reply |
| accept route onto goods lines. 11/09/2013 at 21:30 #49338 | |
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UKTrainMan
1803 posts |
I support this idea, especially considering there have previously been times when trains to/from King's Cross have run along the Up/Down Goods between Alexandra Palace and Holloway South/North Junction (although lately they've run along the Up and Down Fast). I think that this should be implemented as suggested by jc92 - a tick box. Not sure about just solely treating a goods path/line code as intentional though - mistakes could easily occur whilst timetabling, and if ARS is involved...! Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| accept route onto goods lines. 12/09/2013 at 01:29 #49340 | |
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pedroathome
889 posts |
" said:Could have it that ARS cannot set a Class 1 or 2 over a freight line, so has to be done manually Log in to reply |
| accept route onto goods lines. 12/09/2013 at 02:17 #49341 | |
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Late Turn
696 posts |
A tick box would be ideal for the situation outlined in the original post - a non-passenger class 1 or 2 train which could legitimately use any goods line without special arrangements, but I don't think it'd suffice for UKTM's example of passenger trains diverted over a portion of goods lines - where the authority to work over goods lines, whether conveyed to the driver by the signalman or through published notices, would be specific to that portion of line for which arrangements have been made.
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| accept route onto goods lines. 13/09/2013 at 01:46 #49349 | |
GeoffM
6285 posts |
No reason why ARS couldn't route a class 1 or 2 on to a goods line if it's scheduled to do so, and ARS can deduce from the interlocking that it's safe to do so.
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