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| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 09:56 #51229 | |
jimgos2005
129 posts |
I had a little try last night and I really enjoyed it only played about 1 of simtime I was wondering as the sim goes on can you short trip trains more easy than you do in real life on the vic line for example turning brixton trains at Victoria to make up and time and on the N/B doing the same thing at Seven Sisters as both these moves are real life practise when I was on attachment at Coburg St and is the Victoria still controlled from this location and are the signallers still in control of the train radio. I look forward to reading your replies. Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 10:07 #51230 | |
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TimTamToe
656 posts |
" said:I was on attachment at Coburg St and is the Victoria still controlled from this location and are the signallers still in control of the train radio.from the manual: The signalling is managed from a control room in Cobourg Street near Euston (since moved to new building at Northumberland Park) Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 10:08 #51231 | |
Peter Bennet
5360 posts |
" said:I had a little try last night and I really enjoyed it only played about 1 of simtime I was wondering as the sim goes on can you short trip trains more easy than you do in real life on the vic line for example turning brixton trains at Victoria to make up and time and on the N/B doing the same thing at Seven Sisters as both these moves are real life practise when I was on attachment at Coburg St and is the Victoria still controlled from this location and are the signallers still in control of the train radio.I'm glad that you enjoyed playing about 1 of simtime I've not tried short tripping trains but I imagine that with a bit of fiddling via the f2 options menu you might be able to do that and write new train times and then shove them in the sidings calling them out as required you will note that there maybe a small problem getting them into the sidings as they stop short by 20m but not too worry a f2 shunt forward will fix for the time being as I said in the manual which you have obviously read and digested the signalling is done from a new signal box at Northumberland Park remember you can also turn trains as Kings Cross and other places too I hope you find this reply helpful. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Late Turn, Steamer, GoochyB |
| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 10:24 #51233 | |
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jimgos2005
129 posts |
Thanks Peter no I havent had the chance to read the manual as of yet send me the link would be great and yes I forgot about Kings X but this isnt done during peak hours unless theres a service suspension and I believe that the cross over at Warren Street is hardly ever used these days. Is there any screen shots/pictures available of the new signal control centre. Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 10:59 #51236 | |
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TimTamToe
656 posts |
" said:Short tripping into Victoria Sidings worked fine Peter without any need for shunting forwards Gareth Last edited: 10/11/2013 at 10:59 by TimTamToe Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 11:44 #51239 | |
Steamer
3923 posts |
" said:Thanks Peter no I havent had the chance to read the manual as of yet send me the link would be greatAt the top of this page, hover over 'Documentation', then click 'User Manuals and Wiki'. A page will open in a new tab containing links to all the Simulation Manuals and other help topics. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 12:54 #51249 | |
NCC1701
129 posts |
" said:" said:I had to tell a driver to shunt forward to get past one of Peter's hidden signals in the lower siding road at Victoria. I hadn't abandoned the TT or re-written it though. I just re-routed him! Probably annoyed all the passengers waiting there for "1 Brixton Due" lolShort tripping into Victoria Sidings worked fine Peter without any need for shunting forwards Signalman Exeter West & Llangollen Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 13:54 #51255 | |
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Peter Bennet
5360 posts |
" said:" said:There's no hidden signals between Victoria and the sidings, the problem is that for cosmetic purposes I used a main signal rather than an exit arrow forgetting trains stop 20m short of such signals." said:I had to tell a driver to shunt forward to get past one of Peter's hidden signals in the lower siding road at Victoria. I hadn't abandoned the TT or re-written it though. I just re-routed him! Probably annoyed all the passengers waiting there for "1 Brixton Due" lolShort tripping into Victoria Sidings worked fine Peter without any need for shunting forwards Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 13:56 #51257 | |
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metcontrol
217 posts |
Using my real-life controller experience, during testing, I can assure you every crossover, short-trip and siding was used in some of the things I set myself up for! You can also "reform/re-number" the service - provided you keep track of what you're doing. To "keep it realsitic" try not to short trip the first train through after a delay. Do the 2nd or 3rd one in the queue. Give everyone a train as often as you can and the customer complaints shouldn't be too high 
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| Victoria Line Real Working 10/11/2013 at 15:08 #51267 | |
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NCC1701
129 posts |
" said:Ah, I see. I just assumed that's what it was as I had to spur the driver on to clear the scissors crossover. B) Signalman Exeter West & Llangollen Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 11/11/2013 at 16:06 #51348 | |
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TimTamToe
656 posts |
" said:Using my real-life controller experience, during testing, I can assure you every crossover, short-trip and siding was used in some of the things I set myself up for! You can also "reform/re-number" the service - provided you keep track of what you're doing.thanks metcontrol I realised that you guys must short trip to try and get back on schedule but hadn't realised that you also reform/renumbered too...is that quite a common occurrence or just when things really go bad? Gareth Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 11/11/2013 at 21:02 #51373 | |
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metcontrol
217 posts |
It's only when things go wrong. If everything is running fine, the timetable provides the service that everyone wants so not much intervention is required. On lines like the Victoria, when everything is running smooth it is down to the operator(s) to monitor "headways" (the time between trains) to ensure they are all balanced. An uneven gap in trains - even just half a minute - can mean an extended wait for customers, and also places an extra burden on the train following the gap (in that 30 seconds, 100 more people could have arrived on the busiest platforms). This is turn causes that train to run later and later and the gap to widen even further. When things do go wrong, the service may be put back together by using various methods. The main ones are Short-tripping and Reforming/renumbering - but only if you have the driver of the newly reformed service available. Quite often the controller(s) will use a mixture of the 2. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: BarryM, TimTamToe |
| Victoria Line Real Working 12/11/2013 at 07:23 #51393 | |
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maxand
1637 posts |
As a non-professional I don't fully understand exactly what Short-tripping and Re-forming/re-numbering involves, though their names indicate their general purpose. If these are methods that can be applied to SimSig, would you please explain to the rest of us how to go about it? Things frequently "go wrong" in my sims and I am always looking for the best way to quickly restore smooth operation. Are you referring to actions such as F2 > Timetable options > "Go non-stop through next station"? With the welfare of passengers in the train and on the next station being my chief concern, I am most reluctant to do this. Our Metro Trains Melbourne is notorious for doing this when things get tight. Off-topic but related, Metro has also been caught out scheduling "ghost trains". Log in to reply |
| Victoria Line Real Working 12/11/2013 at 08:33 #51394 | |
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metcontrol
217 posts |
Short-tripping: Ending a late-running train journey before the booked destination, then forming the next booked trip of that train in the opposite direction. For example, V201-1 arrives Victoria 20 late. It is terminated, reversed via the siding and forms V201-2 and awaits the booked departure time (in the siding). Getting Simsig to do this is sometimes fiddly, but is achieved by editing / getting the train to run to a different path etc. Reforming: Train V201-2 arrives Seven Sisters northbound 20 late. Instead of arrivng at 12:00 it arrives at 12:20. The driver who is waiting to drive V205-2 is standing there and his train is back at Brixton. Give him the V201 stock and get him to reform it to V205 thus turning a 20 late train to a right time train. You cannot do this with every single train, and you also have to plan ahead and think what you're going to do with the late trains whos drivers you have alredy used. In Simsig, again this is achieved by using the "run to a different path" method" and sometimes you will end up with more than 1 train with the same number. You need to keep track. Obviously you won't be aware of which trains have new drivers - you may need to use a bit of imagination, or pretend you have a never ending supply of them! Log in to reply The following users said thank you: sorabain, jc92, TimTamToe, maxand |