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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 07/12/2013 at 13:34 #52516
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Hello all,

Just submitted this and is awaiting approval. If it's done soon then it's something for you to do over the weekend :)

Includes two versions, 24 hour timetable with Olympic extras and a 0500 start timetable, running up to 24:00. This version has no Olympic extras, these are in the 24 hour timetable.


All trains and timings are from the NR 2012 WTT. Many thank's to Postal for sending a couple of WTT sections that I did not save.

First Capital Connect train types taken from the 2012 Class 319 and Class 377 SX diagrams.


Any problems post them here so I can fix them for an update if needed.


Enjoy!

James.

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 07/12/2013 at 13:38 #52517
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:cheer:

Many thanks for the time and effort, James, I look forward to playing this.

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 07/12/2013 at 19:02 #52519
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" said:
Hello all,

Just submitted this and is awaiting approval. If it's done soon then it's something for you to do over the weekend :)

Includes two versions, 24 hour timetable with Olympic extras and a 0500 start timetable, running up to 24:00. This version has no Olympic extras, these are in the 24 hour timetable.


All trains and timings are from the NR 2012 WTT. Many thank's to Postal for sending a couple of WTT sections that I did not save.

First Capital Connect train types taken from the 2012 Class 319 and Class 377 SX diagrams.


Any problems post them here so I can fix them for an update if needed.


Enjoy!

James.
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 11/12/2013 at 00:07 #52648
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Hello James,

That is a minor error on TT, I hosted a game and 2V94(Class 319/ 8 carriages) forms "2V19(Class 319/ 8 carriages) and 2E15(Class 319/ 8 carriages)" Just need a little tweak at 2V19 ans 2E15 to both start with 4 carriages. It happens around 0700 AM.

Thanks for the great TT.
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 15/12/2013 at 20:39 #52776
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James,

2O54 divides at Luton p.2 for 2V83 and then leaves a 4 car behind at the north end of the platform for RP 2V95.

Should that remaining 4 car recess in the north end loop?

There are two other services (2O58 and 2O62) booked to use p.2 prior to the join up for 2V95, and they are both 8 cars and cannot be accommodated in platform 2 (combined length of 240m in a 200m platform).

Or might 2O58 and 2O62 actually be 4 cars?

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 15/12/2013 at 21:07 #52781
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It might go in the loop, quite unsure what it does to be honest. I did follow it on the Open Train Times live map to see if it used the Centre Siding (Didn't know that is pretty much disused though at the time) but the train reversed and left as normal without dropping a second headcode, though it may have gone 'under the radar' to the North Loop, it would be an untimed shunt though as there's no schedule for it.

2O58 and 2O62 as of 2012 FCC 319 diagrams are booked for 2 x 319's (8 cars)

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 15/12/2013 at 23:12 #52795
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Forgive me if I'm talking nonsense (limited access to anything to check!), but hadn't the north end loop at Luton disappeared under the Thameslink platform extensions (i.e. the whole lot becoming one signal section) by then?
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/12/2013 at 08:51 #52800
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Having just watched 225 Studios recently filmed Bedford to Brighton cab ride, it would appear that the north end loop has indeed given way to the platform lengthening. The centre siding is still in situ, but the pointwork has been partially removed.
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/12/2013 at 22:31 #52824
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6V08 terminates at Dudding Hill Jcn with no more timetabled trips and has to be given a shove before it exits the sim.
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 17/12/2013 at 11:16 #52848
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Having just watched 225 Studios recently filmed Bedford to Brighton cab ride, it would appear that the north end loop has indeed given way to the platform lengthening. The centre siding is still in situ, but the pointwork has been partially removed.

Shunting the 4-car unit into the north end loop sounds like a sensible compromise then, assuming that - in reality - it would have been left at the north end of the extended platform to leave room for the two subsequent trains (assuming it's a permissive platform?).

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 17/12/2013 at 11:24 #52849
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Given the platform in the sim presumably won't fit a 12 car set (or bits thereof), as it's in the pre-platform extension layout, then I agree that a shunt would be the most sensible option to get around the issue you have here.

You could try setting the first arriving train involved to stop far & exact, but I suspect it still won't all fit in.

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 17/12/2013 at 17:00 #52883
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Having just watched 225 Studios recently filmed Bedford to Brighton cab ride, it would appear that the north end loop has indeed given way to the platform lengthening. The centre siding is still in situ, but the pointwork has been partially removed.

Shunting the 4-car unit into the north end loop sounds like a sensible compromise then, assuming that - in reality - it would have been left at the north end of the extended platform to leave room for the two subsequent trains (assuming it's a permissive platform?).
The platform loop has indeed gone. Currently that 4 car does sit at the north end of the lengthened platforms for the other two units to use the south end. Before the platform extension it used to go into the loop.

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 06/07/2014 at 14:49 #62495
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Having played Victoria Central to death I have returned to West Hampstead. Not seen this mentioned anywhere so thought I would ask the question...

6M90 enters from Upper Holloway at 02.40H but is not due to arrive at Carlton Road Jn until 03.52H !! Is this an unintentional mistake or perhaps one of those deliberate errors copied for real from the WTT just to keep us on our toes.

No great issue as nothing else is due up behind 6M90 so I just kept him sitting there until time.

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 06/07/2014 at 17:08 #62499
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to be held on the curve for pathing I think...
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 06/07/2014 at 17:33 #62503
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Hmm can't quite remember what table that would be on, can see a bit of it on WTT LD01, can't seem to find where to follow the rest of it though. LD01 is giving me a slight different answer, I've noticed that in a couple of WTT sections that overlap a bit, some have slight different times or running dates.

There will be a fix very soon, so any other bits you notice that's not yet mentioned, please let me know. I note there are one or two missing FCC schedules, nothing that seems to affect the whole day though.

I've nearly finished with Victoria Eastern which is designed to chain with West Hampstead, so the fixes will be done as I make some amendments to make it chain-able

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 10:18 #62780
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If that were the case then why is it booked to arrive Carlton Rd Jcn at 3.52H yet enters the sim at 2.40H and why does it not have any path allowance at this location ?
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 10:19 #62781
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to be held on the curve for pathing I think...
If that were the case then why is it booked to arrive Carlton Rd Jcn at 3.52H yet enters the sim at 2.40H and why does it not have any path allowance at this location ?

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 10:28 #62782
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The 5Yxx shunts from Bedford to Jowett Sidings all report incorrect route due to wrong traction type. Think they just need diesel power adding to their traction as Jowett Sidings are non-electric in the sim.
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 10:33 #62783
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to be held on the curve for pathing I think...
If that were the case then why is it booked to arrive Carlton Rd Jcn at 3.52H yet enters the sim at 2.40H and why does it not have any path allowance at this location ?
The simsig TT editor doesn't show pathing (or other) allowances from the entry location, even though it may be there in the real schedule.

What time in 6M90 shown departing it's origin - does that fit in with it's entry time into the sim? (I'm at work, so can't access simsig files here).

God bless, Daniel Wilson
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 10:47 #62784
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Onlydjw,

What I was trying to say (not very well) is that 6M90 has no path allowance at Carlton Rd Jcn.

I must admit I've never really understood how to interpret these allowances anyway. If a train has a passing time at location X of say 11.00 with a 5 minute path allowance should I hold the train at X for that 5 minutes or should I hold it at some point AFTER X for that 5 minutes ?

Description for 6M90 shows it as the 02.57 West Thurrock Sdgs to Earles Sdgs so that does indeed confirm that it can't enter Upper Holloway at 02.40H !! Good call mate.

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 10:51 #62785
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On real schedules, the location the allowances are shown next to are the start of the point at which the allowances apply to. So location X with 5 mins pathing, and then location Y 10 mins later with no pathing, means location X to Y takes 5 mins, with 5 mins pathing added in up to location Y. Does that make sense to you?

Not all TT writers follow this correctly, but that's how real schedules show it.

God bless, Daniel Wilson
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 11:25 #62786
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I believe that inputting pathing data correctly is fairly important for sims with ARS, and if nothing else, consistency is always a bonus, so hopefully writers should endeavour to input it correctly
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 11:38 #62787
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I understood that pathing allowances have no influence on ARS, but engineering allowances do.
God bless, Daniel Wilson
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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 19:35 #62796
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Daniel, I'm working on something like these, as i assume, i am fussy for detailed information, trying to not miss anything.



"I don't know" (for real, i know) about the others TT developers, but, i respect how TT-Devs code on their TT's, as everybody thinks in a different way, I'll try to get the best of my "way" of code.

Cheers,
Thiago.

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West Hampstead August 2012 Olympics TT 16/07/2014 at 20:27 #62797
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I understood that pathing allowances have no influence on ARS, but engineering allowances do.
Both are used by ARS and in different ways. Simplifying somewhat, pathing is carried forward; engineering is not. Only really comes into play when trains are late.

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