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| TORR 27/12/2013 at 18:34 #53283 | |
Guts
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Shouldn't there be an option for TORR. TORR was always on, in the non-loader version
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| TORR 27/12/2013 at 20:58 #53300 | |
Peter Bennet
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It's now a function of which scenario you choose - the more difficult ones having no TORR. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| TORR 27/12/2013 at 22:52 #53306 | |
Steamer
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" said:It's now a function of which scenario you choose - the more difficult ones having no TORR.Would it be possible to add whether TORR is on or off to the Scenario description? "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| TORR 27/12/2013 at 22:57 #53307 | |
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Peter Bennet
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It is possible but I've no plans to revisit Westbury unless some major bug is found. I've added it to the manual. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Steamer |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 09:04 #53320 | |
jc92
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I dont understand everyones fascination that TORR MUST be available. Exeter, westbury, and bristol are all E10K turn and push panels, and as such won't have TORR facility (the route can't be cancelled until the entry Button is turned back). given that this is an accurate simulation. whats the issue? theres plenty of other panels (sheffield B for instance) that also lack TORR. it adds to the personal character of sim, just like every other oddity and excentricity. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 09:11 #53321 | |
Zoe
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" said:Exeter, westbury, and bristol are all E10K turn and push panels Exeter and Westbury are not turn and push. Log in to reply |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 11:38 #53322 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Westbury and Exeter are Westinghouse push-push panels, which in theory are capable of TORR. However, the E10k relay interlockings they control are not. Once a route has been "spent" it has to be cancelled off manually to drop the relevant route calling relay. The way this works is different to BR850 interlocking used elsewhere where the route calls are latched and have multiple ways of being cancelled off, including a path in the NR relay which will enforce TORR providing the signal was off when a train passed it, and it should be noted that not every 850 installation was provided with TORR either. TORR is probably provided in fewer installations than people realise. Substantially less than half of the panels I know of that control relay interlockings have it, and none of the original WR panels, including the push-push at Oxford, Westbury or Exeter have. I think there is some value in retaining TORR functionality in SimSig for areas that do not have it in reality as it will improve the playability for some users, although I firmly believe it should be an option to turn it off for realism. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: guyh |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 12:27 #53323 | |
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Finger
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" said:However, the E10k relay interlockings they control are not. Once a route has been "spent" it has to be cancelled off manually to drop the relevant route calling relay. Does that mean the route has to be spent fully (ie. you can't move the first set of points once train has passed them - SimSig allows that)? Log in to reply |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 15:07 #53327 | |
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Firefly
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Quote:Does that mean the route has to be spent fully (ie. you can't move the first set of points once train has passed them - SimSig allows that)?No both E10k and BR850 relay interlockings allow for sectional release of route locking. It would be very restrictive if it didn't. FF Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Finger |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 15:30 #53329 | |
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Guts
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Guy's we're technically going off topic. I understand the historics of the PSB, but the historics of the SIM are that it has TORR. So why shouldn't the Loader version have TORR as well. Peter says its's scenario based, and I've checked only perfect and beginner have it. Log in to reply |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 15:46 #53334 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:That's correct, since clarified in Wiki. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 16:19 #53339 | |
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Firefly
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Working at WML you must be used to working without TORR :dry: or was it only Comprehensive lookback which was lacking? FF Last edited: 28/12/2013 at 16:21 by Firefly Log in to reply |
| TORR 28/12/2013 at 23:30 #53355 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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" said:Guy's we're technically going off topic.I logged the bug about the inauthentic presence of TORR when I was going through the sim with Peter. It was logged and fixed in this manner for realism purposes, and retained in beginner mode for those who want to use it. Log in to reply |
| TORR 29/12/2013 at 11:41 #53366 | |
Andrew G
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There is of course now one simulation where, in real life, part of the control area has TORR and part of it doesn't. Not sure if this differentiation is possible within the core code. There could be a similar argument around the provision of ARS within a simulation where it isn't there in reality, but this does make larger simulations accessible to the single player as they can choose which sub areas to control manually and which to leave to ARS. Log in to reply |
| TORR 29/12/2013 at 12:22 #53368 | |
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Steamer
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" said:There is of course now one simulation where, in real life, part of the control area has TORR and part of it doesn't.The differentiation is possible- CScot and NEScot allow TORR to be turned on for NX panels only. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| TORR 29/12/2013 at 12:33 #53369 | |
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Andrew G
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" said:" said:I had forgotten about those. Might pose the question for West Hampstead as the Westcad (Panel 1 later era) has TORR whereas the NX panels don't.There is of course now one simulation where, in real life, part of the control area has TORR and part of it doesn't.The differentiation is possible- CScot and NEScot allow TORR to be turned on for NX panels only. Log in to reply |