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| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 09/01/2014 at 22:39 #53724 | |
jishmondo
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Hey guys, So I've just had a thought regarding the train description xT3x or such variants being used when a line is closed. Out of curiosity, is this used to simulate a real situation like in a real signal box? Or is it something that happens in SimSig? :) I was just having a random moment of curiosity that's all  Thanks Log in to reply |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 09/01/2014 at 23:10 #53727 | |
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John
884 posts |
-T3- interposed in the train describer signifies that that portion of the line is under an engineering possession. T3 is the rule book module which governs this situation. http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Rule_Book/Rule%20Book%20Modules/T%20-%20Track%20and%20Signalling%20Work/GERT8000-T3%20Iss%203.pdf I believe that the term T3 is not officially used anymore and is now simply refered to in the WON (Weekly Operating Notice) as a 'possession'. Last edited: 09/01/2014 at 23:14 by John Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jishmondo |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 10:00 #53739 | |
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kbarber
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" said:-T3- interposed in the train describer signifies that that portion of the line is under an engineering possession. Unless the railway has changed an awful lot since my day, the mere fact that a term is no longer official won't stop it being used for about the next five decades 
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| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 12:59 #53743 | |
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Forest Pines
525 posts |
Five decades might be an underestimate, bobby 
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| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 14:06 #53745 | |
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Superpicop
11 posts |
T3s and T2s don't not exist any more they are referred to as possessions and line blockage
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| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 15:06 #53746 | |
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mfcooper
707 posts |
" said:T3s and T2s don't not exist any more they are referred to as possessions and line blockagePossession are still referred to as T3s, because Rule Book Module T3 is still in use. The Rule Book module T2 (and its partner T12) regarding shorter blockages of the line was removed some years ago. Now the regulations regarding "Line Blockages" are elsewhere. Though I know some people who still use the phrases T2 & T12, but only to their colleagues. What these different blocks of the line are referred to varies wildly, and what the signaller decides to put in their Train Describer also varies. Some TD Berth examples I have seen include: And then more unusually, once from the Stratford workstation at Liverpool Street IECC, in two adjacent berths: VERB OTENSignallers are a very weird bunch, indeed
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| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 17:14 #53756 | |
Steamer
3922 posts |
The Wiki has the following (which are probably out of date, as discussed above) T1- Signalling Maintenance T2- Temporary block between trains T3- Possession of a running line for engineering purposes T4- Possession of a siding. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 17:18 #53757 | |
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GW43125
495 posts |
@MFCooper- this may be a bit off subject, but how do you get text formatted like the notepad view, as below? On subject, I am aware that the only modules still in force are T3 and T10. Last edited: 10/01/2014 at 17:19 by GW43125 Log in to reply |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 17:22 #53758 | |
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Steamer
3922 posts |
" said:@MFCooper-Surround the text with 'code' and '/code' in square brackets (same idea as 'quote' and '/quote'). "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 22:45 #53772 | |
DriverCurran
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Quite often I have seen the following placed in the berths affected "ITEM" "-179" "*WON" "-37-" to show the exact possession details. Paul You have to get a red before you can get any other colour Log in to reply |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 10/01/2014 at 23:34 #53776 | |
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Hooverman
306 posts |
Hello Paul. I often do that when I have two adjacent T3 possessions, or it's an all weekend possession. Log in to reply |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 13/01/2014 at 19:07 #53847 | |
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MrBitsy
121 posts |
I tend to use T324 in the birth for T3 item 24.
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| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 13/01/2014 at 19:43 #53849 | |
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Hooverman
306 posts |
I just love the way that there is no set standard and every route, region, box and ASC/PSB does it their own way. :-)
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| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 14/01/2014 at 01:40 #53862 | |
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meeko
33 posts |
I'll just leave this here...
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| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 14/01/2014 at 19:45 #53887 | |
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MrBitsy
121 posts |
" said:I tend to use T324 in the birth for T3 item 24....or even berth! TVSC Link 4 signaller - Temple Meads, Bath & Stoke Gifford Log in to reply |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 14/01/2014 at 20:20 #53890 | |
GeoffM
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" said:I'll just leave this here...Excellent. Goes with the quote (probably misquoted), "The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from". Should note that none of the descriptions are actually standards in the prescribed sense, nor should a TD ever be used to determine the possession status or otherwise of a line. The descriptions are there as unofficial reminders to the signallers. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Line closures and engineering work, train ID's 18/01/2014 at 00:20 #53988 | |
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tbh183
24 posts |
It's not unusual for me to have 2 or 3 Possessions and 2 or more line blockages in one night depending on which workstation I'm covering, so I use different variations for each one to denote that they are different blocks. -T3- for the first one, *T3* for the second, -EO- for the third, etc. Line blockages are noted as LB-1, LB-2, and so on. Other notations for different occasions, "-AC- OFF-" or "-DC- OFF-" [over two berths] along with pink track reminders for current isolations (although they're not called that anymore either!). -ST- for the S&T working at a particular location under their own protection. NOGO is another one and is self explanatory. NOSE when shunting in sidings just past the exit signal. If all else fails, BLOK can be used for everything! I've also known others that only put reminders on points and signals for an engineer's possession or line blockage and nothing in the berths. Each signaller to their own preferences. They're only additional visual reminders after all and whatever makes the Bobby think before doing anything daft is all for the good but there are only so many variations you can use with 4 characters! -T2- or variations thereof (T2-A, T2-D, T2-H, T2-T, T2-X depending on type) were commonly used before Module T2 of the Rule Book was withdrawn and replaced with Line Blockages. Dave Log in to reply The following user said thank you: CTCThiago |