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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 26/04/2014 at 10:33 #59588
Firefly
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521 posts 		Just thought I'd gauge reaction on this suggestion.

There are times during failures when you are too busy to keep checking if a train has arrived at a signal in order to authorise them to pass the signal at danger.

In the real world there are few things that can occur.

1) Prior to CSR, you would get someone to put a "Zero Plate" on the signal.
2) Since CSR drivers tend to send waiting signal straight away.
3) With CSR signallers will often call up drivers in advance and ask them to call in straight away at the signal.
4) If you have a hand signaller they will call in straight away.

I'm wondering one of two option.
Could we make a particular signal "Zero Plated" during a failure or could we have "Call in from Next Signal" on the F2 train list menu.

What do people think?

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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 08:13 #59722
Josie
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310 posts 		I've often thought that one of the options for answering a call from a driver at a red signal should be, "Pass signal at danger and call immediately at next signal" (e.g. in case of a failure in the overlap).
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 09:03 #59724
kbarber
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1712 posts 		Both sound like good ideas to me... even in my dinosaur days we could have handsignalmen posted. (I believe the SPT answer buttons at Victoria were colour coded to show those signals which, because of clearance problems, it was forbidden to handsignal.)
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 09:36 #59725
Signalhunter
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177 posts 		I'd like an instant call option, too, please.

I thought the current N.R. rulebook required it, in the "real" world. If so, for recent/current SimSig T.T.s it is needed.
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 14:29 #59735
Stephen Fulcher
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2028 posts 		You can call an SPT generally, but most of the time the driver wouldn't hear it from the cab, assuming the train was at the signal in the first place.
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 14:42 #59737
JamesN
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Online 		Simulation data-wise we can code the time drivers should wait before phoning in, it's by default set to 120secs.

A "Call in from next signal" option would be very nice - I've previously raised the ability to have greater customisation of the red signal phone call as a feature request - although usual timescales undoubtedly apply.
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 15:27 #59741
Muzer
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718 posts 		Yes, this would be an excellent feature that would be also be true to reality. Obviously it would be able to be disabled by the user, eg for pre-CSR scenarios. I also like the idea of a temporary zero-plate - does/did this happen in real life too? Perhaps some delay between requesting it and it being applied to simulate having to get the technicians up there to fit it.
Last edited: 29/04/2014 at 15:28 by Muzer
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 15:38 #59742
Firefly
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521 posts 		Details of zero plate here

In terms of time to get a zero plate on a signal you must remember that pre-privatistaion many stations were manned and station staff could hand signal or operate barriers. Station staff would be called upon to attach said plate or hand signal until a plate could be found and they could then return to their station duties.

These were the days when we all worked for one company and we didn't have any of this PTS rubbish. (certainly not 2 chuffing days of it!..... sorry thread creep)
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 15:58 #59746
Danny252
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1461 posts 		" said:
Yes, this would be an excellent feature that would be also be true to reality. Obviously it would be able to be disabled by the user, eg for pre-CSR scenarios.
Why would it need to be disabled for pre-CSR dates? You can still ask the driver to phone you when he stops.
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 16:03 #59748
Muzer
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718 posts 		" said:
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Yes, this would be an excellent feature that would be also be true to reality. Obviously it would be able to be disabled by the user, eg for pre-CSR scenarios.
Why would it need to be disabled for pre-CSR dates? You can still ask the driver to phone you when he stops.
Only if you've already contacted them - I'm saying disable a feature in the F2 train list in earlier sims, not disable the option in the telephone call dialogue. I actually should have said pre-cab radio, since presumably a similar thing would be possible with NRN.
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 29/04/2014 at 16:07 #59749
Danny252
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1461 posts 		" said:
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Yes, this would be an excellent feature that would be also be true to reality. Obviously it would be able to be disabled by the user, eg for pre-CSR scenarios.
Why would it need to be disabled for pre-CSR dates? You can still ask the driver to phone you when he stops.
Only if you've already contacted them - I'm saying disable a feature in the F2 train list in earlier sims, not disable the option in the telephone call dialogue. I actually should have said pre-cab radio, since presumably a similar thing would be possible with NRN.
Ah, I'd interpreted the thread as going with the solution Josie has suggested (a "pass this signal and call at next signal"- I skipped over the little bit about having it as an F2 option for trains on the move.
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Call Immediately on arriving at Signal 30/04/2014 at 04:20 #59789
Jay_G
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52 posts 		Over in the 'real world' drivers tend to phone in pretty much straight away (or "SG" us in GSMR equipped places, which let's us know they are waiting at a signal"unless there is an obvious reason why they are waiting, occupied platform, conflicting movements etc. Also, if a driver gets stopped somewhere he never gets stopped at normally (ie an auto in the middle of nowhere) they generally ring in immediatly as something must be wrong. Failing all that, we also have GSMR broadcasts, and the ability
to send out prerecorded GSMR messages triggered by TD Berth occupation, to get drivers to phone in immediately.
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