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| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 15/05/2014 at 22:24 #60593 | |
Pinza
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" said:" said:Ha! It was not a complaint - merely an early observation/thought on what I think is an excellent timetable!" said:This is a strange complaint which I've seen crop up over and over again - but yet I don't see people regularly demanding realistic NX panel/lever frame representations, which are supposedly far more obvious deviations from reality!Also F2 train list shows everything as powered by Diesel - not a TT issue but possibly a SimSig issue. There is an option to specify steam as a 'speed class' but not a 'power type' - unless I'm missing something.traction type purely defines "does it need electric or not, and if it does, how does it get it" so for the purposes of a steam train, diesel is suitable as it is just defining it can run on any piece of track. it could/would be appropriate to choose slower acceleration speeds for it. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: hotwellian |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 15/05/2014 at 22:28 #60594 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
" said:Even on NR WTTs, steam hauled specials are shown as diesel, so SimSig is correct?Yes, suppose I was nitpicking - and online sites that extract such data do indeed show Diesel traction for steam hauled trains as you point out. Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 16/05/2014 at 11:30 #60599 | |
BarryM
2158 posts |
" said:Quote:Not quite unfortunately. Up parcel trains cannot access the Down Main from Swindon Parcels to Bourton. No problem with the 'exe' version. This has been reported.This TT has not been tested on the SwinDid loader version as that doesn't work very well on my antiquated XP system.Works fine as a loader version as far as I can see! Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Last edited: 16/05/2014 at 11:32 by BarryM Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 16/05/2014 at 20:03 #60609 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
Just been caught out at South Marston! TT clearly has to use modern era train IDs. However the 0245 departure from South Marston uses ID of 6003 ie 6 zero 03 rather than expected 6 Oscar 03 Later departures also in same format. Minor/nitpicking issue - but confused me for a couple of minutes! Very much enjoying my first run on this timetable - many thanks. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: hotwellian |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 17/05/2014 at 18:57 #60641 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
" said:" said:Yes, Barry is quite correct - no way of routing Swindon Parcels to the Up Main (via Bourton crossover) on loader version.Quote:Not quite unfortunately. Up parcel trains cannot access the Down Main from Swindon Parcels to Bourton. No problem with the 'exe' version. This has been reported.This TT has not been tested on the SwinDid loader version as that doesn't work very well on my antiquated XP system.Works fine as a loader version as far as I can see! Not quite sure why this is different from exe version (and don't really care!) as it is hardly a 'gamekiller': I found it a useful exercise to hone my TT editing skills! I route said trains to Limit of Shunt signal on DM (277) - these seem to clear 214 signal. Then edit TT to add Swindon platform 3 below Highworth Jn and validate it. Then tell driver to reverse. Job done - train seems to re-reverse at Swindon platform 3 without further intervention. I'm sure there are other methods but this works for me and has helped me to learn how to edit TTs on the fly! All good fun Chris Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 17/05/2014 at 19:08 #60642 | |
lazzer
605 posts |
You could just abandon TT and reverse the train out via the same locations. That saves editing the TT. Then re-assign the TT when the train reaches Bourton.
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| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 17/05/2014 at 19:10 #60643 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
" said:You could just abandon TT and reverse the train out via the same locations. That saves editing the TT. Then re-assign the TT when the train reaches Bourton.Ha! Many thanks - much easier than my idea!!! Hey ho - nothing lost - still a useful learning exercise. Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 17/05/2014 at 19:22 #60645 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
" said:" said:Just given this some thought. Surely this would mean 'keying' each set of points so train knows where to reverse to.You could just abandon TT and reverse the train out via the same locations. That saves editing the TT. Then re-assign the TT when the train reaches Bourton.Ha! Many thanks - much easier than my idea!!! And then remember to to re-assign TT at relevant location. Think I'll stick with my method for the moment. Chris Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 17/05/2014 at 20:53 #60654 | |
Steamer
3922 posts |
" said:You'd have to be ready on F2 to tell the driver to reverse as soon as the train reaches the correct place, otherwise it'll keep going. Editing the TT avoids this completely, so you can do other things while it's moving. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 17/05/2014 at 20:54 by Steamer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 18/05/2014 at 11:21 #60660 | |
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lazzer
605 posts |
" said:" said:Yes, the abandon TT method does work better in some locations that others I admit, depending on which signals can stop the driver from just driving off and not stopping to reverse!You'd have to be ready on F2 to tell the driver to reverse as soon as the train reaches the correct place, otherwise it'll keep going. Editing the TT avoids this completely, so you can do other things while it's moving. Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 09:49 #60683 | |
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Sparky
84 posts |
Currently working through the table and it is very challenging/good. Just wondering if there was any plans to do a matching table so we can chain to Bristol Thanks to all those involved in developing this table. Damien I intend to live forever. So far so good Log in to reply The following user said thank you: hotwellian |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 12:01 #60684 | |
bfcmik
98 posts |
As soon as the train speed in the F2 window sets to 0mph you can then re-allocate the timetable using the next waypoint as its location. It also works if you tell the train to shunt forward or reverse direction as appropriate then re-allocate the timetable to the next waypoint.
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| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 12:14 #60685 | |
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hotwellian
211 posts |
" said:Currently working through the table and it is very challenging/good. Just wondering if there was any plans to do a matching table so we can chain to BristolYes, I am working on a Bristol TT to match and then a Westbury TT. THanks for gthe support and the useful comments from all in this thread. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 19:23 #60699 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
" said:" said:That is great news Hotwellian - am loving this TT and will be nice to see it extended onto neighbouring panels.Currently working through the table and it is very challenging/good. Just wondering if there was any plans to do a matching table so we can chain to BristolYes, I am working on a Bristol TT to match and then a Westbury TT. THanks for gthe support and the useful comments from all in this thread. Am up to 0639 and only had 3 issues so far: 1) Self inflicted - I ignored the warning about watching out for Up Royal Mail trains needing to take Down Line to access Swindon Parcels. 2) Up Royal Mail trains can not cross to Up Main at Bourton after leaving Swindon Parcels - apparently only an issue on Loader version and not exe version (Workable around as documented above in this thread) 3) Self inflicted - failed to realise that I needed trains like 2K02 (0600 ex Swindon) to be authorised to enter a Goods Only line. Great fun, my favourite TT, many thanks. Chris PS Even managed to route General Eisenhower with minimal delay to his train! Last edited: 19/05/2014 at 19:28 by Pinza Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 19:52 #60700 | |
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lazzer
605 posts |
" said:3) Self inflicted - failed to realise that I needed trains like 2K02 (0600 ex Swindon) to be authorised to enter a Goods Only line.I mentioned this one before in another thread where Max was talking about class 2 trains going into Alphington Road Siding (Exeter sim). One solution is to edit the TT of every class 2 train that has to access a goods siding or line (Kemble Siding, Cocklebury Sidings, Rover) and tick the "use freight linespeeds" tick box in the "train characteristics" tab. This will stop the driver questioning the route. Now when I suggested this to Max in the other thread, someone stated that ticking that box would make the train do just that - travel at freight linespeeds. This may be true, but I don't see it as a problem, as once the train has entered the line in question it's only a short space of time later that it exits the sim anyway, so it's hardly going to get in anything else's way by travelling at reduced speed. I've tested this out by editing all the relevant class 2 TTs (trains exiting at Kemble Siding, Cocklebury Sidings and Rover), and these trains now accept the above exit routes without question. I suppose I'll now have someone moaning at me that I'm cheating, but then back in 1944 these lines weren't freight-only lines, so I stand by my decision to tick the box. 
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| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 20:17 #60701 | |
postal
5190 posts |
" said:. . . .but I don't see it as a problem, as once the train has entered the line in question it's only a short space of time later that it exits the sim anyway, so it's hardly going to get in anything else's way by travelling at reduced speed.It may become a problem in modern era running if the developer has coded differential speed limits for freight and passenger elsewhere in the sim to follow the latest Network Rail limits. There was quite a discussion about this in 2011 at the topic here. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 20:19 #60702 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
Thanks Lazzer. Documentation clearly states "Local services to and from Cirencester and Highworth are simulated using freight lines". That was the (self-inflicted) bit I missed! Hmm, found Cirencester - yet to locate Highworth... Think I'll just authorise said trains to access the 'Goods Only' line without getting stressed Max-style about it! One further question: Lots of trains have no platforms indicated. An example being 1B02 ???? Paddington to Bristol TM. 1) Origin time would be nice in train description. 2) Shown Swindon 0650 - 0655 and Chippenham 0719-0723 Only have one down platform at Chippenham, am I to assume it needs to be platformed at Swindon too - with no penalty as to how I route it? Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 20:21 #60703 | |
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Lardybiker
771 posts |
The key with using the "use freight line speeds" option is that it's use may cause unexpected issues depending on where it's used. I think what was being implied was that it's use is certainly not a work around for all circumstances. As you noted, it will have little affect in sidings as the speeds for passenger and freight trains are likely to be the same and even if it isn't, the speeds are so slow the difference makes no odds as the train is leaving the sim. As a result for this particular case, it will work. It may not be suitable though in other cases..... Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Pinza, postal |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 20:23 #60704 | |
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Steamer
3922 posts |
" said:Only have one down platform at Chippenham, am I to assume it needs to be platformed at Swindon too - with no penalty as to how I route it?If there's no platform specified, it doesn't matter which one it uses. Lack of platform detail will upset ARS though. Edit to add: Quote: Hmm, found Cirencester - yet to locate Highworth...I've not seen the TT, but I'm guessing it'll use either the South Marston branch or the Rover sidings at Swindon. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 19/05/2014 at 20:25 by Steamer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 20:29 #60705 | |
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lazzer
605 posts |
" said:It may become a problem in modern era runningIt may well do, but I don't intend on using this feature on modern TTs. The whole TT is being run on a modern layout, so I think I can be forgiven for taking liberties with this issue.
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| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 20:29 #60706 | |
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Pinza
106 posts |
" said:" said:Thanks Steamer - Will platform trains as I decide then - ARS not an issue in 1944 and have it turned off!Only have one down platform at Chippenham, am I to assume it needs to be platformed at Swindon too - with no penalty as to how I route it?If there's no platform specified, it doesn't matter which one it uses. Lack of platform detail will upset ARS though. Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 19/05/2014 at 20:33 #60707 | |
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lazzer
605 posts |
" said:ARS not an issue in 1944 and have it turned off!I was going to say - have you all forgotten that this is a 1944 TT, and ARS shouldn't even be switched on?
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| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 20/05/2014 at 03:10 #60720 | |
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BarryM
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" said:" said:But it helps as a learning curve!ARS not an issue in 1944 and have it turned off!I was going to say - have you all forgotten that this is a 1944 TT, and ARS shouldn't even be switched on? :) Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 20/05/2014 at 08:03 #60724 | |
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AndyG
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Well all the road signs were removed during the war, so wrong routing by ARS would still be realistic? :whistle:
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| New Fictional 1944 Timetable 20/05/2014 at 10:15 #60726 | |
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hotwellian
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" said:Thanks Lazzer.The Highworth trains are routed via Cocklebury and then reappear 7 minutes later to exit at th Rover sidings (and vice-versa) Will work on adding further details such as origin time. Will look into timings on the 1B** trains. I deliberately left some platforming unspecified. I also allowed for lengthy stops to enable trains to make up time and also for the passengers to disembark and use facilities. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Pinza |