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V2.2 07/05/2014 at 18:55 #60192
irjoey
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Hey,

I've noticed on the manual that there is a 4.2.2 available for download but this isn't reflected in the repository. Apparently the last download submitted was on 8th November which is still classed as 4.1.

Will this be made available soon?

Thanks,
Joe

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V2.2 07/05/2014 at 18:58 #60193
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It's already released, download it then press the check for updates button in the loader.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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V2.2 07/05/2014 at 19:36 #60194
irjoey
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Oh how silly of me! Yes, of course! Thank you!
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V2.2 08/05/2014 at 10:44 #60204
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headshot119 wrote:
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It's already released, download it then press the check for updates button in the loader.
How can I download it (presumably meaning 4.2.2) if only 4.1 is available in the D/loads section?

Be that as it may, I've already installed VLUL v4.1. When I clicked Check for updates I was told SimSig is already up to date. When I checked, it was still v4.1.

As some of you know from my previous post here, I prefer a bespoke folder location. In fact, the last time I used this feature to update the Loader, everything went smoothly once I made sure Folder Options were in order.

Now it seems I can't rely on automatic update to inform me whether a sim is up to date or not, and even then I can't do it manually as the latest version isn't available in the Depository/Remository. So, catch-22 yet again.

I don't know what you other guys think about this state of affairs but I can't see why, having gone to the trouble of releasing an updated sim, the developers can't go the extra yard and add it to the Downloads straight away. I have not encountered this anywhere else and IMO it really sucks. Why antagonize us in this way?

It appears to me that the Update module is failing to look in the folders nominated in Folder Options.

Last edited: 08/05/2014 at 10:47 by maxand
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V2.2 08/05/2014 at 11:14 #60206
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" said:
headshot119 wrote:
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It's already released, download it then press the check for updates button in the loader.
How can I download it (presumably meaning 4.2.2) if only 4.1 is available in the D/loads section?

Try reading what is actually written, though as you seem to need it spelling out, download a copy of Victoria LUL, install it, then use the update feature on the loader to get the latest copy.


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Be that as it may, I've already installed VLUL v4.1. When I clicked Check for updates I was told SimSig is already up to date. When I checked, it was still v4.1.

As some of you know from my previous post here, I prefer a bespoke folder location. In fact, the last time I used this feature to update the Loader, everything went smoothly once I made sure Folder Options were in order.

Now it seems I can't rely on automatic update to inform me whether a sim is up to date or not, and even then I can't do it manually as the latest version isn't available in the Depository/Remository. So, catch-22 yet again.

I don't know what you other guys think about this state of affairs but I can't see why, having gone to the trouble of releasing an updated sim, the developers can't go the extra yard and add it to the Downloads straight away. I have not encountered this anywhere else and IMO it really sucks. Why antagonize us in this way?

Because packaging up the sim as in installer takes more time than simply dropping one file onto the server that the loader uses to check for updates. Hundreds of other software companies do this, Microsoft being one of the most notable.


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It appears to me that the Update module is failing to look in the folders nominated in Folder Options.
I'm not sure about this, I have Simsig in program files on my laptop, and in public documents on my Desktop and both seem to update fine.

"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
Last edited: 08/05/2014 at 11:15 by headshot119
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V2.2 08/05/2014 at 11:15 #60207
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" said:
headshot119 wrote:
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It's already released, download it then press the check for updates button in the loader.
How can I download it (presumably meaning 4.2.2) if only 4.1 is available in the D/loads section?

Be that as it may, I've already installed VLUL v4.1. When I clicked Check for updates I was told SimSig is already up to date. When I checked, it was still v4.1.

As some of you know from my previous post here, I prefer a bespoke folder location. In fact, the last time I used this feature to update the Loader, everything went smoothly once I made sure Folder Options were in order.

Now it seems I can't rely on automatic update to inform me whether a sim is up to date or not, and even then I can't do it manually as the latest version isn't available in the Depository/Remository. So, catch-22 yet again.

I don't know what you other guys think about this state of affairs but I can't see why, having gone to the trouble of releasing an updated sim, the developers can't go the extra yard and add it to the Downloads straight away. I have not encountered this anywhere else and IMO it really sucks. Why antagonize us in this way?

It appears to me that the Update module is failing to look in the folders nominated in Folder Options.
It is a bit of a conundrum, but from a developers' standpoint I prefer the new (current) method.

Why? Because uploading just the simulation to the updates server is much easier and quicker than gathering sim/timetables/splash screens/etc, sending those to Geoff, waiting for him to build the installer, distribuing the installer to testers to check it installs properly and so on.

Granted, there have been teething problems, but I'd say the lions share of them are from people not installing to custom directories correctly. I have three SimSig directories on my desktop PC - 1 for released versions of sims/loader, one for all my testing and development work, and one on a seperate harddisk for installer/updates testing. Never had any issues with the updater finding any of the directories, or updating the directory I want it to and leaving the others alone.

There are two things I can think of that could cause the symptoms you describe Max:

1) The directory you want to update is not selected in folder options
2) The sim you want to update is found in multiple directories, and as a result updater is updating neither of them

I'm not privvy to the internals of how updater works, so the above are deduced purely from logic and 2 minutes and experimenting, Geoff will be around a bit later I'm sure and can offer more insight.

That said there are things we developers need to do to ensure it works properly. I annoyed my testers recently by sending them build 67 2 days after sending them build 72... That doesn't appear to be the case with Vic LUL (I've just sucessfully updated my copy from 4.1 to 4.2.2)

EDIT: Karl posted while I was typing, apologies for any duplicated points

Last edited: 08/05/2014 at 11:17 by JamesN
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V2.2 08/05/2014 at 13:01 #60211
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JamesN wrote:
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There are two things I can think of that could cause the symptoms you describe Max:

1) The directory you want to update is not selected in folder options
2) The sim you want to update is found in multiple directories, and as a result updater is updating neither of them
Well, here are my folder options - please advise if you detect anything suspicious.



There is only one installed version of VLUL v4.1, in C:\Program Files (x86)\SimSigLdr\Simulations\Victoria.sim.

Last edited: 08/05/2014 at 13:06 by maxand
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V2.2 08/05/2014 at 13:27 #60213
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Does the user running the updater have write permission to "Program Files (x86)\SimSigLdr"?
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V2.2 08/05/2014 at 14:27 #60216
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Program Files (x86) is protected folder, therefore SimSigRefresher.exe (updater) must be run as adminstrator.

This is the reason why simulations and timetables are not recommended to be installed there.

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