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| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 00:51 #60267 | |
DaveBarraza
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Maybe already covered... 21 and 26 signal can be kicked off because one of the crossovers is not locked. VIZ:    
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| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 01:59 #60271 | |
GeoffM
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Unless I'm missing something, there's nothing wrong with that. There's no flank locking to provide, and there's no need to lock the point just because other points in the same TC are locked. However, when the TC becomes occupied, all points do become locked in whatever position they're in, whether in line of route or otherwise.
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| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 02:04 #60272 | |
Muzer
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The signals on the routes he set went to danger when he locked the points with the route still set. That's presumably bad?
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| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 02:29 #60273 | |
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DaveBarraza
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But Throwing the points makes the signals go from clear to red in front of the train, which train operators just hate!! Maybe I'm getting my terms wrong... I know the signaler is free to cancel any signal at any time, but It's not intuitive (to me) that some action involving a switch results in a retraction of a clear signal. Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 05:31 #60274 | |
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GeoffM
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Oh I see - I was focusing on the crossover itself. Yes, that should not happen. Kicked off is not a phrase I've heard before in signalling!
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| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 13:35 #60287 | |
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Sacro
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" said:Kicked off is not a phrase I've heard before in signalling!Kicked on is probably a better term! Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 15:39 #60288 | |
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mfcooper
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" said:Kicked on is probably a better term!Indeed. The signals have reverted from a proceed aspect ("Off"  to a danger aspect ("On").Where does the phrase "Kicked Off" come from, in this context? Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 16:21 #60291 | |
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Firefly
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Dropped Back, Dropped On, Thrown Back, Reverted or Replaced maybe, but kicked off I've never heard of. The only time I've heard of a kick is in pway terms when you get a rough ride. FF Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 16:24 #60292 | |
Peter Bennet
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Probably a New York Subway term. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 10/05/2014 at 19:36 #60298 | |
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AndyG
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" said:Oh I see - I was focusing on the crossover itself. Yes, that should not happen. Kicked off is not a phrase I've heard before in signalling!An example of two nations separated by the same language? I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 12/05/2014 at 09:41 #60373 | |
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DaveBarraza
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AndyG you took the words right out of my mouth!! I have to confess to blatant use of slang.. "Kicked Off" was especially puzzling because US/UK have different use of On and Off. It's understood at NYCT but I can't tell you if it is anywhere else over here. But we're all on the same page with my original concern though. Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 12/05/2014 at 11:12 #60375 | |
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Fendahl
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Points kicking usually refers to a loss of point detection during a train movement. Damn annoying, especially when a crossover 'kicks' and throws back signals on the other line.
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| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 12/05/2014 at 12:06 #60376 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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In some relay interlockings, a route set over a track circuit would lock all points over it irrespective of whether the train would actually pass over them. Longbridge however is SSI. I have also heard the term "kicked out" to define a route cancelling due to loss of detection in a set of points. Last edited: 12/05/2014 at 12:07 by Stephen Fulcher Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 12/05/2014 at 13:28 #60381 | |
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Firefly
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Quote:n some relay interlockings, a route set over a track circuit would lock all points over it irrespective of whether the train would actually pass over them.Locked yes, but would they be detected in the aspect? Log in to reply |
| 2 Kick Offs in Saltley involving the same crossover 12/05/2014 at 13:35 #60382 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Not generally I don't think.
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