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| The Scotrail Sleepers 04/06/2014 at 19:04 #61304 | |
Guts
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Can I please advise all who produce timetables for the West Coast, and even East Coast Diversions, about the ScotRail Sleepers The sleeper has been set as 375m long. That's cool The speed is not 100mph and certainly not 125mph, the speed is 80mph. This is to allow the passengers to sleep in comfort. The acceleration in definitely not high (as in the Stafford sim), it's medium or low freight. More likely Medium. Please remember this. Thanks all Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 04/06/2014 at 19:09 #61305 | |
Steamer
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I thought it was cleared for 100mph in the event of late running?
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 04/06/2014 at 19:11 #61306 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
" said:I thought it was cleared for 100mph in the event of late running?It is indeed. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 04/06/2014 at 19:37 #61307 | |
Sacro
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But timed for 90 (in 2009 anyway)
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| The Scotrail Sleepers 04/06/2014 at 19:43 #61308 | |
58050
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In all my timetables the sleepers are all set at 80mph, as I worked with several drivers who drove them & GUTS is correct when he states that they run at 80mph to allow passengers to sleep in comfort. That goes for all sleeper services on all the main lines. I set the acceleration rate to medium as per loco hauled trains & that slso goes for those sleeper services with motorail GUVs on them as well.
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| The Scotrail Sleepers 04/06/2014 at 21:03 #61311 | |
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peterb
451 posts |
" said:The sleeper has been set as 375m long. That's coolThis should be the case for any WTT developers using the characteristics. But yes the sleepers can max 100mph in the event of late running. Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 07:40 #61320 | |
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GW43125
495 posts |
I thought the sleeper 67s were only cleared up to 80 because of the brakes? Thanks. Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 08:10 #61322 | |
kaiwhara
584 posts |
" said:I thought the sleeper 67s were only cleared up to 80 because of the brakes?I am by no means expert on British Rolling Stock (except that I drive rebuilt BR Mark 2 stock in New Zealand), but to me the above does not make a lot of sense given that we are talking Mark 3's with Disk Brakes which would otherwise be rates for 110mph (same running gear as the WCML stock), and Mark 2's with Tread Brakes that would otherwise be rated for 100mph... The easy way to know would be to consult the Sectional Appendix, the Working Timetable, and for someone to have a look at the Data Panels on the cars... Sorry guys, I am in the business of making people wait! Last edited: 05/06/2014 at 08:11 by kaiwhara Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 08:28 #61324 | |
jc92
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" said:I thought the sleeper 67s were only cleared up to 80 because of the brakes?I believe guts is referring to the sections worked by class 90s, rather than the portion workings to the highlands. The whole train is cleared for 100mph as has been previously stated, but runs slower for comfort. Most of the lines north of Glasgow aren't cleared for 75+mph running anyway "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 09:52 #61329 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:[quote="DSeaWall" post=61320]Most of the lines north of Glasgow aren't cleared for 75+mph running anywayYes they are. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 10:40 #61334 | |
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Underwood
746 posts |
" said:I thought the sleeper 67s were only cleared up to 80 because of the brakes?Yes they are restricted too at 80mph because of the cast iron brakes. As mentioned 90's are restricted for comfort purposes. I suspect there is not many places on the highland routes where the 67's could go over 80mph for a long stretch anyway. Can't wait for the Mk2 coaches to disappear, as nice as it is travelling in BR Mk2 stock, the brakes are something else! Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 12:15 #61340 | |
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peterb
451 posts |
Since I'm bored... Larbert - Stirling (part of): 95mph Dunblane - Whitemoss LC: 90mph Whitemoss LC - Forgandenny Ford LC: 100mph Perth - Stanley Jn (part of): 85mph Kingussie - Kincraig Loop: 90-100mph Haymarket East Jn - South Gyle: 90mph Ladybank Jn - Springfield: 85mph North of Cupar: 85mph South of Broughty Ferry: 85mph Broughty Ferry - South of Monifieth: 90mph Monifieth - Carnoustie: 100mph Carnoustie - Balcathie LC: 90-100mph Craigo SB - Laurencekirk: 90mph There are also other bits of 80mph running. Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 16:11 #61351 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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It seems unlikely that they would be allowed a higher speed in times of delay if the brakes were not upto it under normal circumstances. If the brakes of Mk2 stock were deemed not fit for 100mph, then that would be the end of it surely, irrespective of whether or not the train passes a timing point an arbitrary number number of minutes late? Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 16:19 #61353 | |
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Steamer
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" said:It seems unlikely that they would be allowed a higher speed in times of delay if the brakes were not upto it under normal circumstances.The issue with brakes seems to be related to the 67s (they had cast-iron brake blocks fitted because the normal ones wore out at an alarming rate when working to Fort William), not the Mk 2s. So south of Edinburgh when there's a Class 90 on the front, it's not a problem. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 18:33 #61357 | |
northroad
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Can anyone confirm that the SLEP's etc, for Scot Rail are actually Mk2's as is being talked about in this topic....I thought they were Mk3's Geoff Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 19:02 #61359 | |
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peterb
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" said:Can anyone confirm that the SLEP's etc, for Scot Rail are actually Mk2's as is being talked about in this topic....I thought they were Mk3'sNo, SLEPs are Mk3. Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 19:23 #61360 | |
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Steamer
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" said:Can anyone confirm that the SLEP's etc, for Scot Rail are actually Mk2's as is being talked about in this topic....I thought they were Mk3'sThe sleeping carriages are Mk.3, the seated carriages and lounge cars are Mk.2 Video, skip to 1:39 for sleeper: http://youtu.be/Y5yqss_JiZg?t=1m39s (Mk.2s have distinct equipment boxes underneath them, Mk.3s have a single long box) "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 05/06/2014 at 19:24 by Steamer Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 21:21 #61367 | |
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headshot119
4869 posts |
The sleeper coaches are authorised to run at 100MPH, but normally run at 80MPH for better passenger comfort. Some of the Class 67s are restricted to a lower speed due to being fitted with cast iron brake blocks. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 05/06/2014 at 21:49 by headshot119 Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 21:30 #61369 | |
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GW43125
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" said:It is them I was thinking of. Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 21:43 #61371 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:The sleeper coaches are timed to run at 100MPH, but normally run at 80MPH for better passenger comfort.WTT shows a timing load of 80mph. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| The Scotrail Sleepers 05/06/2014 at 21:58 #61372 | |
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Ron_J
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" said:Some of the Class 67s are restricted to a lower speed due to being fitted with cast iron brake blocks.The locos in question are 67004/7/9/11, which are also fitted with RETB CDUs for the West Highland Line. Log in to reply |