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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 14/06/2014 at 21:34 #61652
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Hi Guys

Assuming the Waterloo refresh is still happening, I have noticed that Waterloo has additional TD berths for about 3 signals back from the Station that gives the allocated Platform Number for an incoming service.

If the refresh is not too far gone, is it a) possible, or b) practicable to install these onto the Waterloo refresh? It would make life easier given the shear amount of traffic at the place?

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 01:35 #61657
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My understanding is that these will only show a platform number when a route has been set from the home signals into the station area, rather than which platform the wtt shows the train to go in. I await correction from somebody who knows the area better.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 01:39 #61658
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The information is displayed based on the timetable that the ARS at Wimbledon ASC has had programmed into it.

It is the booked platform, but this is liable to change based on daily requirements and times of pertubation

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 01:52 #61659
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Understood about the function, and accept that plans do have to change dependant on what's happening at the time.

The question is though, can it be done?

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 05:10 #61660
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It certainly can be done, yes. I don't know whether it will be done though!

We (at TRE) did a simulation of panels 1 and 2 years ago, pretty much the same area as the SimSig version. I actually thought the platform number berths went further back but it appears not - though I do notice a couple at Clapham Jn (Windsor side) which look suspiciously like platform berths. As Matt says, they report the timetabled platform - and yes there is partial ARS in that box. There's also an interesting ACI quirk where dividing trains have the 2nd portion interposed automatically soon after the 1st portion is scheduled to have departed - and if it doesn't depart within a couple of minutes of schedule, then it gains the 2nd portion's headcode if the signaller is not observant enough to realise!

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 05:59 #61661
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Just tested in a sandbox and yes it will work in theory. There is a display problem though in that TD berths are 4 characters by default and while you can create a prima-facie 2 character berth is populates the additional 2 spaces with blanks initially giving an odd display. That will require a core-code change probably.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 06:04 #61662
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Just tested in a sandbox and yes it will work in theory. There is a display problem though in that TD berths are 4 characters by default and while you can create a prima-facie 2 character berth is populates the additional 2 spaces with blanks initially giving an odd display. That will require a core-code change probably.

Peter
Thanks for looking into it :cheer:

Any chance of displaying (space)xx(space) so the number appears in the middle, or is that a core code issue as well?

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 06:04 #61663
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Hi Guys

Assuming the Waterloo refresh is still happening, I have noticed that Waterloo has additional TD berths for about 3 signals back from the Station that gives the allocated Platform Number for an incoming service.

If the refresh is not too far gone, is it a) possible, or b) practicable to install these onto the Waterloo refresh? It would make life easier given the shear amount of traffic at the place?
Andrew

My understanding was that the 3rd signal back only displayed the route to be taken, not the platform number. I stand corrected!

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 06:05 #61664
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Hi Guys

Assuming the Waterloo refresh is still happening, I have noticed that Waterloo has additional TD berths for about 3 signals back from the Station that gives the allocated Platform Number for an incoming service.

If the refresh is not too far gone, is it a) possible, or b) practicable to install these onto the Waterloo refresh? It would make life easier given the shear amount of traffic at the place?
Andrew

My understanding was that the 3rd signal back only displayed the route to be taken, not the platform number. I stand corrected!

Barry
I've not seen it in action (being a Kiwi Lad!), but that would seem logical...

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 06:14 #61665
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Just tested in a sandbox and yes it will work in theory. There is a display problem though in that TD berths are 4 characters by default and while you can create a prima-facie 2 character berth is populates the additional 2 spaces with blanks initially giving an odd display. That will require a core-code change probably.

Peter
Thanks for looking into it :cheer:

Any chance of displaying (space)xx(space) so the number appears in the middle, or is that a core code issue as well?

Andrew
To do that the platform numbers would have to be 3 character with a leading space (I think that'd work) but adding a 4 character berth to a TC would probably mean stretching TC displays which might mean a complete re drawing of the SIM. I've put 2 character TDs in the wish list but don't hold your breath- that might also mean a significant redraw of some TCs with consequential movement of others.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 06:21 #61666
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Hi Peter

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. No problem at all. I was just thinking out loud as to what it would take to implement it. It sounds to me as though there isn't a lot holding it up in principle except perhaps that development on Waterloo may be a little too far gone to implement it for the upcoming release. Correct?

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 17:08 #61692
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The real life platform number berths are standard 4-character berths but only the last two characters are displayed. If you look at open TD feeds like opentraintimes then you might see the full 'TD', as in PF12 or PF07. You only see 12 or 07 though.
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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 19:59 #61697
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Whats happening with the refresh (ie will we be gaining more panels?). Wimbledon ASC is on my 'wish list' and would happily pay for that!
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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 15/06/2014 at 20:05 #61698
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Clive has just pointed me in the direction of how to make the TD berths variable width so I'll have a play sometime and see what I can do.

I have been in the process of refreshing as-is off and on.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 16/06/2014 at 05:03 #61710
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Clive has just pointed me in the direction of how to make the TD berths variable width so I'll have a play sometime and see what I can do.

I have been in the process of refreshing as-is off and on.

Peter
Understood.

Can I ask then whether a) the new Platform's 1 and 2 at Clapham are included, Clapham Yard gets more than one exit (as it really does) and c) whether the missing GPL's at Waterloo are included.

Looking forward to the refresh when it's available :)

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 16/06/2014 at 06:38 #61712
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Clive has just pointed me in the direction of how to make the TD berths variable width so I'll have a play sometime and see what I can do.

I have been in the process of refreshing as-is off and on.

Peter
Understood.

Can I ask then whether a) the new Platform's 1 and 2 at Clapham are included, Clapham Yard gets more than one exit (as it really does) and c) whether the missing GPL's at Waterloo are included.

Looking forward to the refresh when it's available :)

Andrew
No, it is titivations only.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 16/06/2014 at 09:29 #61715
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Just to add to the interest, I think I recall reading that the platform berths could also be populated by the signalbox supervisor. I don't recall any reference to them being auto-populated from the timetable but of course that might simply be taken as read and the reference was to facilities available. That facility makes a great deal of sense as an easy and very effective way of implementing short-term alterations; I presume that, if the supervisor interposed a platform number before the berth occupied, it would override the automatically generated number but I can't be sure of that.

This is all in my father's papers, he was divisional relief Area Inspector at the time of the resignalling; unfortuntely they're in the loft so I can't give chapter and verse nor can I guarantee I'm remembering accurately.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 26/08/2014 at 16:42 #64144
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What an excellent arrangement, not having seen it elsewhere.
Thank you to who ever.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 26/08/2014 at 19:15 #64151
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Just to add to the interest, I think I recall reading that the platform berths could also be populated by the signalbox supervisor. I don't recall any reference to them being auto-populated from the timetable but of course that might simply be taken as read and the reference was to facilities available. That facility makes a great deal of sense as an easy and very effective way of implementing short-term alterations; I presume that, if the supervisor interposed a platform number before the berth occupied, it would override the automatically generated number but I can't be sure of that.

This is all in my father's papers, he was divisional relief Area Inspector at the time of the resignalling; unfortuntely they're in the loft so I can't give chapter and verse nor can I guarantee I'm remembering accurately.
I recall being told that the platform numbers come from the timetable, which can be a problem as they don't account for short term alterations.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 28/08/2014 at 08:14 #64177
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Just to add to the interest, I think I recall reading that the platform berths could also be populated by the signalbox supervisor. I don't recall any reference to them being auto-populated from the timetable but of course that might simply be taken as read and the reference was to facilities available. That facility makes a great deal of sense as an easy and very effective way of implementing short-term alterations; I presume that, if the supervisor interposed a platform number before the berth occupied, it would override the automatically generated number but I can't be sure of that.

This is all in my father's papers, he was divisional relief Area Inspector at the time of the resignalling; unfortuntely they're in the loft so I can't give chapter and verse nor can I guarantee I'm remembering accurately.
I recall being told that the platform numbers come from the timetable, which can be a problem as they don't account for short term alterations.
That's right Geoff, normally populated from the timetable but the box supervisor then altering the numbers as necessary - perhaps someone thought it would be better than shouting across the box floor to the blokes on the London end panels. I still haven't looked for the papers (apart from lots of other things on, we think there's a wasps' nest in the vicinity and there's a large number of the odious creatures in our loft, so nowt much will happen before October) but I definitely recall a reference to that facility on the supervisor's desk.

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Waterloo Platform Number Train Descriptions 28/08/2014 at 08:44 #64179
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I still haven't looked for the papers (apart from lots of other things on, we think there's a wasps' nest in the vicinity and there's a large number of the odious creatures in our loft, so nowt much will happen before October) but I definitely recall a reference to that facility on the supervisor's desk.
Let's hope that they haven't used the papers to build their nest.

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